I bought this RAW and I think I'm gonna.....

its4real

Get it graded!

Look at this Columbian Expo 1893 Commem...

Before you look - it is very toned. Underline VERY.

But under a glass - there is not a single mark on it. I have looked and looked again - it is CLEAN. I cannot find any marks on it. Look how clean the globes are under the ship. Look how fien the detail is.

I buddy of mine said to clean it but I don't think I should. I think I should have it slabbed. Any thoughts?

Here's the pics - if you have a way to get better pics tell me - it's very difficult with a coin this dark:




the Reverse:

DHeath

Done......

robertpr

I would imagine it would be worth a lot more as is in a slab. Particularly if it gets a high grade. The toning isn't great, but it surely isn't hideous either. There are a lot of people out there who like to see this type of toning as evidence of original surfaces.

Plus, if you clean it, it could actually come out worse, or uncover marks you couldn't see before, or both. Leave it and send it to PCGS, that's my opinion anyway.

kranky

What I would do is see what the coin is worth in different grades, figure out what it might slab at, and make my decision accordingly. If you think the value of the coin slabbed in your expected grade is $50 or less, would it really be worth the slabbing fee?

robertpr

DHeath, I don't see anyone quoting boards in that auction, just stating an "average opinion". Nonetheless, the coin looks like it would be easily bodybagged for harsh cleaning, among other things.

itsnotjustme

Don't get used!

I think he's a big liar. He has no plan to submit it, he'll list it on e-bay saying all the gcoin board experts said it's an XXXX (Don't want to give a grade... I might be quoted!).

its4real

Robert and kranky - I am thinking, based on the scope, that it could be as good as a 65 - like I sdaid NO MARKS...at least I can't see any. In that grade it's worth it. Wouldn't you do it? Even as bad as it looks?

itsnotjustme

Example

<< <i>This coin could easily grade PCGS MS-62. Most of the forum discussion boards have graded it as a 62+/- on average. I believe it's a little less. >>



from this auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1379004581
selling this coin
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kranky

If you think it might 65, send it in. Worst that could happen is it comes back a lower grade or gets bodybagged, and it could be instructional to figure out why.

danreller

I feel the strike is on the weak side. From the scans or pics, I do see some marks... esp. on the reverse (they could be on the 2X2 mylar). My concern is still the strike.

If you feel it is worth it, by all means submit it to one of the acceptable grading companies (NOT ACG) and let us know the results.

Dan

cacheman

itsnotjustme has struck the crux of the matter. its4real has been buying POS coins on ebay, garnering grades from board members, then selling the coins on eBay with those grades as gospel. I don't believe he has any interest in numismatics at all and is out for a quick buck.....and at the newbies expense.

I, for one, am tired of his incessant posts where it is only me, me, me! There is give and take in the world and it has become obvious that this guy is only a taker!! JMHO

keets

hey its4stupid

most people are warned not to burn their bridges after they've crossed them, but you've added an interesting twist---you burn them BEFORE you cross them!!

al h.

its4real

sorry guys - not taken the bait this time...had my chill pills since then and am smooth. Wish you'd do the same.

crito

I bought this Columbian Expo raw when I was about 8 years old, still have it... and it's still a counterfeit (ya, I know "no one would counterfeit such a cheap coin.") Have a bunch of fake common date Morgans too. All crude cast copies tho.

roadrunner

Looks AU58 to me. $15-20.

roadrunner

cacheman

Well maybe you should have supplemented your "chill pills" with an "ethics" pill while you were at it.

Bustman

WOW........what did its4real do to tick off this crowd?

EVillageProwler

Hey guys,

It's not clear to me that its4real is doing anything wrong this time. In fact, has he done anything wrong since last weekend? I'd like to think we're big enough to give everyone second chances...

EVP

its4real

look - my wife finally came clean...

She put extra, extra caffienne (sp?) in my coffee last weekend. I also threw the cat against the wall, dug up the entire front yard (I was trying to find a mole - DIDN'T), and waxed all 4 cars. Then, a neighbor came over and said he wanted me to help him unstop his toilet - I suggested we dig up his sewer line, to make sure his septic tank was gone, and got out 2 shovels. He said forget about it and went home.

All around - it was a strange weekend, I got a lot done, and my wife is happy - but everyone else is mad at me.

forgot to ask....anyone else ever have a bad weekend?



edited to ask 1 more question

Bear

People , have you ever heard of giving a person a second chance. While I could be wrong, I have found
that people can be a lot nicer then we think they are. Lets take a leap of faith here and try it. Pleeeeezzzz.


By the way I sorta like the coin as it is and would not dip or clean it in any way. It could go MS 64/65.
Bear

fcloud

Tell your buddy.

Never, ever clean a coin.

All you do is kill any value in which the coin had.

A natural tone is better than a coin that has been dipped or cleaned or polished or wizzed--you get the idea.

You could send it to a consevation company--but this coin probably wouldn't be worth the service.

kryptonitecomics

I'm not one to throw stones either, but I find the continuing negative comments on this thread and others just as bad as anything that Its4real has done. I am sure those making the comments will most certainly not agree, I'm not picking sides or trying to flame anyone, I just want to read some informative coin threads without having to sift through the garbage.

darktone

It looks XF to me but with being cleaned and retoning I think it's worth about $5. Easy to see wear on the sails( especially the rear most sail it looks flat and shiney), the globes, ocean, eye brow, and in the hair( I know this is the area where strike weakness shows the most on these but this is wear! ). This coin is definitely in a state of lower preservation for this issue and should not be mentioned in the same breath as a MS65! mike

Bear

Hey its4real - Get the darn coin graded and lets see who has to eat the humble pie here.
Bears are especially fond of pie, even humble pie. Regards Bear

keets

"fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me!"

go ahead and offer a second chance. i think if you do that you'll be supplying an answer to EVP's byline query!!

al h.

darktone

Here the auction on ebay where he got this coin! columbian. mike

Bear

Keets - By taking a chance on a human being you always run the risk of being hurt.
But by never believing in one another , we would make this world of ours,


a very cold and sterile place. Bear!!!

its4real

that does it - - it's going in tomorrow...oh CRAP! Just ran out of black ink on my printer!!! The submission form is ALL screwed up!

Guess I'll just have to put it on E-bay











Gotcha

Sending it in tomorrow - the pics definitely do not do it justice - it's clean as a whistle and should grade good - or - I could just be an idiot.....yea yea yea - - please - whatever you do - don't agree with me

itsnotjustme

Sorry, but I think the second and third chances have passed. There are not many that get on the wrong side of me, but I just don't find much redemption in posting a coin for sale that looks cleaned and calling it PCGS MS62, then attributing that to members of the board.

keets

hey bear, you're really an ostrich????

al h.

Bear

Well it looks like the little bear has to eat the humble pie on grading. Could I please have some vanilla
ice cream on the top. Thank you. Bear

cacheman

So which story are we supposed to believe about last weekend 4? Your poor excuse for your behavior above? Or this one straight from your mouth? So, which was it?

BluesPost

its4real

As you can see - that was Monday - not the weekend.

Bear

Keets - I cant be a bird I aint got no feather. All I got is fur, some sharp teeth and some really
long claws. Regards Bear

cacheman

Yup, you've got the makings for an ebay shyster all right............

Russ

Darktone,

Nice sleuthing!

I'll say one thing for this guy. His threads sure generate a lot of responses.

Russ, NCNE

Bustman

He did just buy that Columbian on Ebay ( listed as an xf).
look at he ebay link and you will see that no one in their numismatic right mind would wonder if the coin was a shot 65.

its4real

shyster? No - that's THIS guy:

shyster

and I am in my left mind - I'm right handed

darktone

Thanks Russ, He did not make it too hard to find.

its4real

Well!

What a lively bunch tonight - wish it wasn't so late - we could chat all night. Guess we'll have to resume tomorrow.
Until then,

Its4Real

danreller

Its4real, do you know Buyer4it? You seem like twin brothers.

danreller

Its4real, do you know Buyer4it? You seem like twin brothers.

its4real

Do we have a stutter?..... a stutter?

You should get that looked into.





edited to provide help

Bustman

Call me crazy..........but it doesn't seem to me like you are trying to make any friends here.
looking for a little excitement in your life?

Russ

Oh yeah, this snarf deserves a second chance.

Russ, NCNE

its4real

Excitement I have plenty of - this is a diversion.

Some, like me, call it a hobby....coin collecting that is. Others spend their time posting on boards....which I have to admit that I am guilty of lately. It has become fascinating to me I have begun to enjoy the banter - the back and forth.

And you? Why are you here?

Bustman

I can tell you that I am not here to piss people off. If you are looking for the banter.... the back and forth, try Jerry Springer.

ClarkOfKent

I'm here to fill the void in my life that was left when the doctors made the voices go away.

its4real

Who?

I guess I'm out of touch

EVillageProwler

Folks,

If you don't like its4real's posts, then just ignore it. You guys are slamming him under some notion that his posts are disruptive or otherwise wrong. Personally, I think if you continue to feed into this nonsense, then y'all are guilty of the crime too.

This lynch mob mentality is getting a bit tiresome...

Of course, it doesn't help that its4real isn't making much effort to be an obviously constructive member of this message board.

EVP

danreller

For those curious and who are not aware who Buyer4it was here's a link

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=buyer4it&meta=

OOOPS copy and paste.