Textbook example of AT on a Morgan dollar

gemtone65

See E-bay item #1376646495 for a very blatant instant of artificial toning being touted as original by the misnamed (or at least misspelled) seller. I sent him a note tactfully asking if he realized this was AT; not surprisingly, he did not respond.

darktone

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LanLord

dang darktone you're fast with those links.

FC57Coins

The poor sap may have seen it in a slab and decided it was the real item - I don't think the seller should be shot - I think the slabber should be flogged!

Frank

LanLord

Too bad that's AT, the blue rim really sets off the blast white lady very nicely.

BillJones

AT on an ACG coin?

Say it isn't so, Joe. Say it isn't so.

Tonelover

Whoever submitted that thing is probably still laughing his butt off.

gsaguy

Gemtone,

That piece would surely look nice with your other toned beauties!

Looks like a Billy M. special!!!!

GSAGUY

cacheman

Hey, those guys in the community college auto painting 101 class are getting pretty good at doing detail work.....................

Bear

People, stop making fun of AT coins. Did you every think that that may be how Rembrant got his start?

Validator

Let be stick my neck out with a stupid question. How do you know it's AT? Please be nice, I really don't know you you folks know its AT.
Kind regards...........Andrew

Dog97

I'm not trying to be a SA but you can tell it's AT because it don't look real. That's just not a natural color or pattern.

gemtone65

Andrew; Within the past few months there have been a batch of coins known to be artificially toned that have these same colors, intensities, and locations, most being in ACG holders (surprise). The main sellers of these heat treated pieces were Katz and Niz collectibles, although one dealer who shortly after became a contributor to this board was inadvertently fooled by these pieces.

But, even if I didn't know this history, the mere appearance of the coins themselves would be sufficient. The blue and red colors are not natural, as seen on genuine pieces. The "neon" toning on a Morgan dollar, if genuine, almost certainly must come from a mint bag. But, how can this occur if the centers on both sides are untoned? The bag will tend to contact the highest point on the coin's surface, not the lowest point as in this coin.

A genuine toned coin may well have some completely untoned areas. Again, usually this occurs from mint bags when another coin prevents the canvas bag from touching the coin. In album toning, the rims will certainly tend to tone more darkly than the center; however, there wil be a gradual separation, not a distinct area of dark toning followed by an untoned center portion.

Your question is a good one, so perhaps other forum members can add to my list of attributes seen here or even disagree with my individual points.

danglen

Natural toning follows the pattern of yellow, magenta, cyan and does not creep over the devices. One of the easy ways to tell an AT coin is to look at the letters and crevasses on the surface of the coin. For example, on a naturally toned coin, if you have the letter "O" in dollar, you would have the same color on the outside and on the inner circle of the "O", but the color would not be on top of the letter itself. Also, natural toning will not creep over the rims of the coin. Generally speaking, on a toned Morgan you will see different colors in the crevasses formed by the hair on Miz Liberty, as well as in the lettering on her headpiece. The reason for this is that the air transfer process hits different parts of the coin at different angles. Only Mother Nature can do that, although many coin doctors have tried and failed.

GAT

This seller is a contant seller of highly questionable material and has been on my no bid list a long time.

gsaguy

Danglen,

Generally speaking you're correct. However, the color pattern you mention is typically evident in bag toned dollars and not album toned, or envelope toned coins.

Also, while in most cases the same color does not overlay both the field and the raised area of the lettering, there are exceptions to every rule. The actual colors on this coin are what gives it away.

GSAGUY

danglen

GSAGUY, right on both counts!

Kejun99

Hey Bear, that was pretty Funny ! LOL


" People, stop making fun of AT coins. Did you every think that that may be how Rembrant got his start? "

Probably that's why they put Rembrandt on maybe the very fist Slab !!!

smprfi

Come on now it is in a slab it must be real, right?

oldcameoproofsguy

Validator,

There was a really good thread that discussed AT.Thread It was way better than AT discussed in The PCGS Official Guide to Coin Grading and Counterfeit Detection.

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And you guys thought I never pay any attention to what you say.

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clackamas

They did a really good job. Its air transfer toning but it appears to have occured too rapidly to not be considered AT.