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BobS · August 27, 2002 11:55PM

Complete PSA 8 Set

Anyone interested in going in on this and splitting it up ala the 52 Topps pool table legend? I'm serious. I'm at 33% right now, so idealy two or three "partners" would be what I'm looking for. Reply here or send me a PM.

rbeaton · August 28, 2002 12:09AM

While I'm not interested in buying this, I think it will make an interesting comparison between Superior and Ebay. There is a similiar set (gemmintman?) in the current Superior Auction

Robert

thegemmintman · August 28, 2002 12:13AM

The set on Ebay is missing the toughest card from the set, #57, Ken Boyer PSA 8. The seller just bought this set from "Sealboy" on Ebay a few months ago for more money than he is asking for in his Buy it Now price.

BobS · August 28, 2002 12:18AM

Gemmintman -

You're right. I wasn't sure if it was the same set or not. He paid $2000, is asking $1800. What do you think is going on here????

thegemmintman · August 28, 2002 12:25AM

BobS, I really don't know why he's selling. In fact, he did try to upgrade his Boyer when a Boyer PSA 8 came up for auction a couple of months ago. The card went for over $200, but he was outbid. It's kind of strange that he's selling after only a few months. Maybe he needs the cash in a hurry. That Buy it Now price is very tantalizing.

dude · August 28, 2002 2:07AM

I just love it when seller shows a picture like this.

I just can't wait until he puts his graded '72 Topps Baseball set up for sale. He'll need NASA's assistance on taking that photo.

BobS · August 28, 2002 2:31AM

Marc,

Didn't know you were a 64 Giants closet case

mikeschmidt · August 28, 2002 2:34AM

For $1,000 it is worth a bid.

I actually picked up the Callison and Gonzalez PSA 9's recently on Ebay -- I actually just put in a bid ($29-), and was very surprised that that bid held. I certainly was not expecting to win them at those levels. But they are certainly nice additions to my Phillies collection!

thegemmintman · August 28, 2002 3:01AM

MS - you absolutely STOLE those cards. Particluarly that Gonzalez PSA 9 one of three. That card should have gone for $100-200 easily. All TG's collectors were asleep at the switch on that one. The other two PSA 9's are both accounted for if you know what I mean

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BobS · August 28, 2002 3:04AM

Slow down gemmintman-

They were qualified 9's.

Still, very nice pick-up marc. (only 3 - 9NQ and 4 - 9Q in pop.)

P.S. I never sleep

thegemmintman · August 28, 2002 3:05AM

Dude - for the '72 set the seller would have emptied out his swimming pool and taken a photo from the high board

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thegemmintman · August 28, 2002 3:10AM

Thanks BobS. I think it's important for one of us to be up 24/7.

MS - you are a big card tease

. When MS says something I just take it as fact. From now on I'll have to check up on you.

Basilone · August 28, 2002 3:32AM

I wish that I never saw that 64 Giants set on ebay....now I have to bid on the darn thing to solidify my ebay/auction house "discussion" !! LOL

Seriously...I hope both auctions reach the sellers expectations....hopefully the set in the Superior Auction (with the Boyer) will provide even greater returns for the seller (on a pro-rated basis w/o the Boyer) next month. Only good things can happen to ALL of our collections when strong prices are realized for complete/near complete PSA sets.

Now it time for me to put my $1025.00 bid in...

John Basilone

mikeschmidt · August 28, 2002 3:35AM

Hmmm -- the scans weren't showing up properly on my computer when I bid. Now I think I have a bit of a problem....

MS

thegemmintman · August 28, 2002 3:43AM

Hey no fair Basilone. You're manipulating the results with a shill bid (you're shilling to promote your theory)

MS - That's a tough break. If you contact the seller let us know what happens.

Basilone · August 28, 2002 3:46AM

Gemmint-

Hey the reserve is still not met...and for the record...I have no idea who the seller is....

I know you were just joking though....

John

BobS · August 28, 2002 3:57AM

Marc -

If the seller refuses to "negotiate" and you're stuck with these (and you don't want them), let me know.

aconte · August 28, 2002 4:08AM

Does anyone know why the seller is selling this for less than what was supposedly paid for the
set? I wonder if the cards are not centered nicely. I wonder if the seller was not happy with the
cards. I got a lot of questions for the seller but I'm too lazy to ask. I might be interested in getting
a piece of the action from the ebay set if the seller could explain why he's willing to take a loss
on this set so soon?!? I'm about 40% complete on my set.

Gem, would you be happy with a $1800 hammer price on your set? I would think you could get
a lot more ( around 3k) for this set. That's why I'm confused about this ebay lot. I'm sure
you are not too happy with this auction. What timing!

aconte

mikeschmidt · August 28, 2002 4:30AM

BobS-

I will -- it will be a classic case of misrepresentation. When I saw the auctions, the scans did not load. The title and description only said PSA 9. The seller had high feedback, and with a $29- starting bid, I thought it was okay to bid (and that I would easily be outbid). If the seller refuses to negotiate, there will be a problem. Unfortunately, my bids stuck, and now the cards are on their way. I will be contacting the seller shortly, and hopefully this whole situation can be resolved.

MS

thegemmintman · August 28, 2002 4:34AM

Aconte - I certainly never figured that I would have to worry about this guy selling his set now. He just bought the darn thing, and as I said earlier, he was in the hunt for the Boyer PSA 8 card just recently. He must need the money very soon.

Why don't you guys just get together and "Buy it Now" so it's taken off the market. Then break it up so it is never again is offered for sale. This makes Gemmint's set more desirable as it is fully complete

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BobS · August 28, 2002 4:44AM

"Why don't you guys just get together and "Buy it Now" so it's taken off the market. Then break it up so it is never again is offered for sale. This makes Gemmint's set more desirable as it is fully complete"

That depends on your willingness to sell one of the extra Boyers you have

thegemmintman · August 28, 2002 5:12AM

BobS - The easiest way to get your set complete and get one of those rare Boyer cards is to buy the Superior set. Then just sell off your 33% complete cards on Ebay.

DONE DEAL

BobS · August 28, 2002 5:29AM

I've got until the 12th on that one. I just thought I'd fish around on the board and see if anyone else woud like to go halfsies, or thirdsies, or fourthsies on the ebay set. If not, you're set MAY become my top priority.

thegemmintman · August 28, 2002 5:30AM

I understand

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Cubfan · August 28, 2002 6:46AM

There is currently a Boyer 8 NQ on ebay.

LJB17 · August 28, 2002 7:32AM

Bobs,

I would be interested in splitting it up. 33% or 25%. You can contact me at ljb17@austin.rr.com.

Luke

BobS · August 28, 2002 9:08PM

LJB17 -

Turn on your PM option and drop me a line. You make three, I'm still looking for a fourth (come on zardoz, you know you want to). I'm leaving for the week-end friday at noon, so If it's going to happen I'd like to hammer out some details today.

BobS · August 29, 2002 12:33AM

LJB17 - you figured out the PM right. Now look up at the little lock in the upper left of the screen. It should indicated you have a new message. Click it and you're golden.

Basilone · September 3, 2002 12:43AM

Well the set sold last night for $1500.00 ($300 under the BIN price) w/ a Boyer PSA 7. Interested on what you guys thought about the final hammer price on this one. Also, were there any concerns with the set (centering on key cards, etc.) that may not of been public knowledge?

John

Heres the link to the set:
1964 Giants PSA 8 Set with a Boyer 7

thegemmintman · September 3, 2002 4:54AM

BobS - was your "coop" the winning bidder on the set?

BobS · September 3, 2002 8:45PM

Hey gemmintman -

Unfortunately no ($1500, geesh). I lined up two sure thing partners, and a possible third by Thursday afternoon. I had to leave town for the week-end so unfortunately I wasn't able to seal the deal with them by the time I left. Right now, after seeing the dismal results of this auction, coupled with the explosion of PSA 8 cards in the set, I'm seriously contemplating my decision to go with a straight 8 set. Nines are nicer.

Basilone · September 3, 2002 11:38PM

<< <i>Right now, after seeing the dismal results of this auction, coupled with the explosion of PSA 8 cards in the set, I'm seriously contemplating my decision to go with a straight 8 set. Nines are nicer. >>

As the years go by with the registry and the number of commons being graded...I wonder if more people will be thinking the same thing (myself included).

mikeschmidt · September 4, 2002 12:13AM

8's are nice cards -- and they always will be. People may continue to put together sets in 8 -- particularly the "lower-dollar" collectors, or even higher-dollar collectors who may have greater than PSA 8 sets for their primary wants, but straight 8 sets for their other wants.

For anything 1960 and after, PSA 8 is the benchmark "investment quality" card. A PSA 8 set will always have a demand and a following, even if other collectors try to build complete PSA 9 sets.

thegemmintman · September 4, 2002 12:15AM

BobS - there's still the complete PSA 8 set with Superior (which contains the rare Boyer card) that you can split up with your pals. I wouldn't mind

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BigKidAtHeart · September 4, 2002 3:14AM

<< <i>BobS - there's still the complete PSA 8 set with Superior (which contains the rare Boyer card) that you can split up with your pals. I wouldn't mind

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what do we think the Superior set will go for (including the "Buyer's Premium" of 15% will be added to the hammer price)??????????

since it has the PSA8 Boyer, then it should be much more than $1500, right?

BobS · September 4, 2002 3:23AM

BKAH -

I'm not too sure. There are many variables but in my opinion the Boyer should not make a huge diff. The one that closed last week ended at about 50% (or $100) less than the last one. I still think over $100 is crazy, but not as crazy as over $200. I think the fact that it's an "alternative" auction (not eBay) may bring in a large bid or two at the end and make gemmintman much happier than the guy who just lost almost $700 by selling the set last week.

pinhigh · September 4, 2002 7:37AM

Well, my collecting philosophy for the 1964 Topps Giants set is to buy whatever thegemmintman will allow me to.

Seriously, my approach (this also applies to the "Future Prices of Graded Sets" thread) has been to determine the grade I should/can afford to collect the set it in. That is generally what I reserve as my minimum grade but I then attempt to collect one grade above that. Over time, populations will increase, prices may decrease, and I end up with a completed set that I am much happier with, despite it taking much longer than I would like.

As an aside to BigKid, Eli looks great!

qualitycards · September 4, 2002 8:36AM

I've been very slow to add any to my set, but I did a little wheeling and dealing and traded a California dealer various PSA's for 4 PSA-8 Giants incl. 3 SP's, I also submitted 8 other raw cards I need as well, if they all come back at least PSA-8's then I'll be at 80%, w/ the real tough ones staring me in the face. Koufax, Skowron, Boyer etc... I'll reach the finish line one day, and at least for one moment, I'll know what it feels like to be GEMMINTMAN...jay

thegemmintman · September 4, 2002 10:52AM

<< <i>Well, my collecting philosophy for the 1964 Topps Giants set is to buy whatever thegemmintman will allow me to. >>

Pinhigh - you've become a very wise man following that socialist outburst you experienced recently. Now if only everyone else would follow your lead...

<< <i>I'll reach the finish line one day, and at least for one moment, I'll know what it feels like to be GEMMINTMAN...jay >>

Jay - being the gemmintman isn't all that it's cracked up to be, LOL

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BigKidAtHeart · September 12, 2002 11:36AM

$2,400. (Amount with the Buyers Premimum; $2,760)

not too shabby for only adding the Ken Boyer PSA 8...

900 more than the other!

WOW!

thegemmintman · September 12, 2002 11:40AM

Bigkid - the Superior Auction is still running until 9:00 PM PST. Internet bidding is closed now, but the phones are open for one hour and twenty minutes more for whomever placed their bids early.

In case anyone needs the phone number it's #888-337-4492

BigKidAtHeart · September 12, 2002 11:44AM

hmmm
I did not realize that.

I have never used them for a purchase
(as they are usually all way too high for a new daddy's budget.

BigKidAtHeart · September 12, 2002 11:46AM

(double post)
sorry

BobS · September 12, 2002 7:34PM

Sorry gemmintman -

The set quickly went out of my reach last night.

Davalillo · September 12, 2002 8:59PM

Gemmint,

You ought to thank me if this is yours. With the set at $1,200 I put in a top all bid at $2,100. After losing this, I then bid 2300 late last night. That got topped as well. I thought $2,500 plus 15% would have been too high so I stopped.

Davalillo

thegemmintman · September 12, 2002 9:49PM

Hey thanks Davalillo! I was wondering if you were in on the action because I know from the Registry that you have some of these cards.

Thanks again

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Cubfan · September 12, 2002 10:09PM

Wow, this really adds to the argument of selling sets on ebay versus the proper auction house. The only difference between the two sets that sold on ebay and Superior was 1- $125 card, and the Superior set brought in more than $1,000 than the ebay set. Congrats Gemmint, you must be pleasantly surprised.

Davalillo · September 13, 2002 1:17AM

Cubfan,

I don't think you can conclude this from the auction. While Gemmint did well on the 1964 Topps Giants and Carlos on 1976-77 Topps BBall, if I didn't bid up to the end on each how high would they really have gotten. You could argue over $1,000 less on each.
Also, Carlos's sales of 1972 and 1974 baseball have to be viewed as major disappointments and I am sorry for him.

I think what this shows is if you want to sell material from say 1960-75 first try to sell it privately and what better way to advertise than the set registry message board.

Davalillo

Cubfan · September 13, 2002 2:01AM

Davalillo- I hadnt concluded anything. I had been thinking along the same lines as you. I was just very surprised at the large increase in what was paid for this specific auction as compared to what was paid for virtually the same auction on ebay just weeks ago and just noted it added to the debate. Unfortunately, some of Carlos's results went the other way. But I was just looking at this particular auction.

Take care

thegemmintman · September 13, 2002 2:28AM

I don't think one can draw any definitive conclusion from the sale although it is an interesting debate. I took my chances which I like to do, I did no work which is very important to me, and the result was a good one.

I have no problem with anyone trying to sell their sets through the Registry first if that's what they want to do, but I remain steadfast in my belief that for sets like the ones I collect I would rather put it with Superior Sports than on "CheapBay" so I can attract bidders who aren't necessarily seeking my set.

BigKidAtHeart · September 13, 2002 2:31AM

do you guys think that one set being sold PRIOR to an impending Strike

and one set being sold AFTER the strikedate Came and Went with out a stoppage

might have had anything to do with it?

I know that in my auctions, I had SEVERAL things that went either VERY LOW
or got no bids BEFORE THE STRIKEDATE - then this week
Went for Top Dollar!

(It's just a thought)

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