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I'm afraid to submit my Toned Morgans ( results)

All of this talk about the grading at PCGS has me hesitant to submit the group of coins that I was getting ready to send out. This will be my first attempt at submitting toned Morgans. Heck i have the display case that they have been in for the last 40+ years that "caused" the toning. If they come back AT, I am going to be P*ssed off big time...not that that matters. Would I be better off sending these into NGC?? I have attached a scan of one of the coins below. My scanner doesn't show the colors nearly as vibrant as they are, but perhaps you can get an idea and give me some advice.

Well here is how they came back. I'll think the grades are pretty fair, maybe a point low on some, but I will have to see them again to be sure...the've been away from home for awhile.

1 90016983 1884-O S$1 MS62
2 90016984 1880-S S$1 MS62
3 90016985 1881-S S$1 MS64
4 90016986 1885-O S$1 MS62
5 90016987 1883-O S$1 MS63
6 90016988 1887 S$1 MS62
7 90016989 1888 S$1 MS62
8 90016990 1896 S$1 MS63
9 90016991 1904-O S$1 MS63
10 90016992 1902-O S$1 MS62

Date Received: 08/30/2002
Date Shipped: No Date Specified



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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    No idea how many coins you have to send. Maybe send a small group and see how they do and if they get returned then send those and the rest to ngc.
  • Wow that is a very nice coin.. it looks very natural to me so i dont think they will bb it but u never know with pcgs . image
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  • mrdqmrdq Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭
    dip it THEN send it image

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My personal opinion is that you should ensure that PCGS knows the coins are original. Include a poloroid of the display case, copies of invoices, etc to document your ownership of the coins for a long period of time. Include a letter to Rick Montgomery explaining how the coins toned.

    They are being extra, extra careful about AT these days and any supporting documentation you can send in with your submission will be quite helpful to getting them graded correctly the first time.

    May be a waste of time or it may be the difference to saving quite a bit of time and hassle. Good luck!
  • not to mention money
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  • Thanks TDN, I was thinking of doing something like that. I guess it won't hurt!

    Greg
  • gsaguygsaguy Posts: 2,425
    Clevegreg,

    TDN hit the nail on the head! When possible, anticipate problems and provide some documentation to support your coins. While at the ANA I heard multiple stories of submissions of toned coins needing to be documented in some form or fashion in order to get certification. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, it's just apparently what it takes to get some of these pieces certified.

    GSAGUY
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  • jomjom Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How does a certificate help in getting a coin graded? Either it's AT or it isn't. Please explain.

    jom
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>How does a certificate help in getting a coin graded? Either it's AT or it isn't. Please explain. >>



    Jom,

    That assumes that the graders at PCGS always know the difference between natural and artificial toning. I can say from personal experience that they don't.

    Russ, NCNE

  • I know we have all had coins come back in BB that we KNOW don't deserve it. I guess I will try and use TD and GSAs advise and take some pictures of the entire collection I bought, and then some close ups of the display case the the toned Morgans were in. He!! I'll send 'em the case with the coins if it will help. I also must have 35 old Whitman coin folders filled with all kinds of stuff, mainly circulated, but some of those coins are nicely toned too. I had never seen a Barber Half in VG that has rainbowish toning, but I have now.

    I appreciate everyones input. I will let you know how it turns out.

    Greg
  • I would definitely submit them to pcgs- the coin looks very original. The bright vibrant colors seem to spook the grading services, but your coin looks like authentic toning.
    careful- that light at the end of the tunnel might be a freight train!
  • jamesfsmjamesfsm Posts: 652 ✭✭
    What's the dealie with writing the coin's history to the grading service? Does it work???
  • littlewicherlittlewicher Posts: 1,822 ✭✭
    I don't know if the graders would want to take their time.image

    The coin looks original to me and shouldn't have any problems at PCGS, in my opinion.


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