Is this guy an ebay feedback 'ho?

relayer

I won this auction on June 20th and send a check the next day. I was just about to email the seller asking where my coin was when I got this message...

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 11:22 AM

APPEARS CHECK HAS CLEARED MY BANK COIN WAS MAILED TODAY. AGAIN THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST.


Followed the NEXT day with this one.

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 4:08 PM

HI DID YOU RECEIVE THE ITEM(S) THAT YOU WON ON MY AUCTION. HAVE NOT HEARD FROM YOU REGARDING IF YOU DID OR NOT. IF SO LET ME KNOW SO I CAN LEAVE YOU POSITIVE FEEDBACK FOR YOU OR JUST LEAVE IT FOR ME AND I WILL GLADLY DO THE SAME FOR YOU. THIS WAY IT SAVES US BOTH ANOTHER EMAIL. AND AGAIN THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST. AND HERE IS A LINK TO MY WEB PAGE ...

So I replied to this message saying
No, I haven't received the coin yet and it's been over 3 weeks since I sent payment.

and recived this response
WELL U. PAID BY PERS CHECK AND I SENT IT BEFORE CHECK CLEARED ON 7/12. AND I DID NOT GET CHECK TILL 7/2

So my $30 coin shows up a month after the auction. Because I decided this guy was an idiot I didn't leave any feedback (nor did he). Then 24 days later I get another one....

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 5:07 PM

HI DID YOU RECEIVE THE ITEM(S) THAT YOU WON ON MY AUCTION. HAVE NOT HEARD FROM YOU REGARDING IF YOU DID OR NOT. IF SO LET ME KNOW SO I CAN LEAVE YOU POSITIVE FEEDBACK FOR YOU OR JUST LEAVE IT FOR ME AND I WILL GLADLY DO THE SAME FOR YOU. THIS WAY IT SAVES US BOTH ANOTHER EMAIL. AND AGAIN THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST. AND HERE IS A LINK TO MY WEB PAGE FOR SOME RATHER NICE PCGS GRADED AND OTHER 3RD PARTY GRADING COMPANIES AT SOME GOOD PRICES. THANKS FOR LOOKING.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO VISIT MY NEW WEB SITE AT

I just replied, "Yes I got it"


I leave feedback when I receive the coin satisfactory. A good seller will leave feedback when the coin ships.

construct

Well . . . I am not a seller on ebay. I have bought there. I'm perfectly happy to let the buyer wait until the transaction is completed to his and my satisfaction before he leaves feedback. I haven't gotten any negatives in the process.

goyankeez

I've both bought and sold on ebay. As a buyer I leave feedback after I receive the item (to my satisfaction); as a seller I leave feedback after I receive payment (or until check clears- 5-10 days).
Although I tell the other party that I would appreciate feedback, I don't hold it against them if they don't post it. I also don't repeatedly email them for feedback. I wish everybody gave feedback, but I'm not going to get down on my hands and knees and.........................beg.

lathmach

C'mon. You got the coin. Was it what was advertised? If it was, leave the guy feedback. Just say, "Coin as advertised, shipping a little slow".

Ray

BigD5

As a regular seller on Ebay, I can tell you that the quality of the seller has NOTHING to do with the time at which feedback is posted. I leave feedback as a buyer, when I receive the item, and am satisfied with the item, or when a return is complete, if I didn't like the item. As a seller, I leave feedback when I KNOW the transaction was satisfactory for both parties. To leave feedback upon receiving funds, puts the seller in a very bad position, with an open door to be manipulated by a negative feedback threat.

Steve27

As a buyer, I expect the seller to post feedback shortly after receiving payment. Any seller who waits for me to post first will be waiting the rest of his/her life.

crito

Only time I don't leave feedback immediately upon receiving payment is when a buyer is obviously screwing with me. Had one winning bidder claim he didn't have a credit card (but paid a few days later with one.) Had another in France BIN a Euro roll and then offered to add a whopping fifty cents for shipping, despite the fact the auction states I ship to USA only. The worst are sellers who find it easier to compete by feedback sabotage... and have numerous eBay IDs to do it with. I just block them all, there are plenty of other potential customers on eBay (the one good thing about it.)

So, while this guy may seem like a "ho" to you, the feedback may be more valuable to him (especially if he's a new seller) than the $5 he made on the coin after expenses. He probably won't miss your business at all.

mrpaseo

I'm usually one to go agains the grain so I will tell you how I see it, and as you can tell, it does not agree with most of the other responces.

This seller is not watching you auction alone. It seems to me, that this seller has Many auctions and he tends to them all systematicaly.

Meaning: He periodicaly logs onto ebay and filters through all his auctions and send a generic message to every auction that is not complete, to "remind" the buyer to leave him feedback.

I don't think the seller is intentionaly being a moron to you or your auction, the way you described it, it looks like the seller is doing a follow up, periodicaly for his auctions. The day after he sent you the coin, might just have been his day to contact all open auctions.

Also, now that I think of it, he may employ someone else to conferm all feedback for his auctions.

Some of these big sellers have a crew that tends to their auctions, i.e. One takes care of listings, one takes care of sending or shipping, one takes care of feedback....

I hope this helps you a little, I don't know who you are talking about so I can not get more into debth with possible reasons, but from what you said, this is what I saw.

How this helped,
Ray

MICHAELDIXON

As a seller, I post feedback when I package the coin for shipment. I am at the computer printing the invoice, so it doesn't require any additional effort to click on Ebay and leave it. I do not wait for checks to clear. Personally, I find it offensive when somebody waits for my check to clear and will not do business with those who have that listed in their auction. As a buyer, I leave feedback when the item is received.

mnmcoin

It really bugs me when people bug me for feedback. As kind of a principle I don't leave feedback for people like that. Probably stupid but chalk it up to my immaturity maybe. Anyway, to me that comes across as someone who care more about feedback and sales than providing good customer service ie not bugging the crap out of your customers and good products. He is obviously fearful of negative feedback for you which screams at me to stay away. I only leave feedback when I am completely satisfied. Not only with the product but with shipping time and also shipping expense. I am at the point as a seller that I have plenty of feedback and spend more time trying to figure out how to make my buyers happy, not if they are leaving me feedback...that is just silly...I know sellers that have tracking lists and such to track whether people have left feedback or not. That is just plain stupid IMO. Have a good product, with a good service and the feedbacks and business for that matter will take care of itself.

Not much you can do, but stuff like this bugs me too.

mo <><

dbldie55

So you send your payment, the seller waits the standard ten days for clearance and sends the item. You get the item, and blame the seller for the time delay. The seller is using feedback as a reference as to whether you received your item, and has a form e-mail to check if you have received it. You will not leave feedback because the Post Office took time to deliver your check to him, and the coin back to you. Sounds like someone I would not want to sell to.

As I said in another thread, feedback should not be left when payment is received, but when the transaction is completed. If the seller leaves feedback, and then the buyer says he never got it, and leaves a neg, even though you shipped it. Does not sound like a positive experience to the seller then, but he already said it was. People feel feedback should be left when payment is made because they know they will not try to scam the seller, not all buyers are like this. You would not believe the scams on Ebay where buyers work to build up a nice feedback so they can screw sellers. We actually sold to one. He sent cash, and specifically asked for feedback in a nice form letter he sent. He was later prosecuted in Utah for some major Ebay thefts (we were in early so no harm done to us). It would be like me saying about your car, "I will never take anything from you so why lock it?"

How many sellers send an email to make sure you recieved an item? ( I have never got one)

Russ

<< <i>As a buyer, I expect the seller to post feedback shortly after receiving payment. Any seller who waits for me to post first will be waiting the rest of his/her life. >>



Steve,

Big ditto.

Russ, NCNE

gmarguli

A good seller will leave feedback when the coin ships.

No, a stupid seller will leave feedback when the coin ships. It takes nothing to wait a few days and find out that the buyer likes the coin and isn't going to try and screw you.

How about: You leave feedback when the coin ships. Buyer gets coin and emails you that it isn't quite perfect. However, if you refund 30% of the selling price it will be OK with him and he adds "I hope we don't have to resort negative feedback to work this out".

eBay says to wait until the transaction is complete and that is after the buyer is happy with the item received.

gmarguli

Personally, I find it offensive when somebody waits for my check to clear and will not do business with those who have that listed in their auction.

I list it in my auctions. Unless it is an expensive item and I don't know the buyer I'll just ship the item before the check clears. Half the time the buyer gets the item before I've even dropped the check off at the bank.

I put it in my auctions just as a precaution and hopefully as a deterrent to anybody that would try to send me a bad check hoping I would ship before it clears.

dbldie55

<< <i>Personally, I find it offensive when somebody waits for my check to clear and will not do business with those who have that listed in their auction. >>



This is how the scam in Utah was ran. They used cash, requesting feedback, for a while. Then when they had a cozy feedback rating, they sent bad checks. Sellers who used feedback instead of common sense sent the items right away. The scam was worth many thousands of dollars to this guy. (guess which party lost on it? they probably left positive feedback too.)

supercoin

gmarguli, who you callin' stupid? I've always left feedback immediately upon receipt of payment, or after the check cleared in the few cases where I've waited for that.

I have a no-questions asked 10-day MBG, including shipping if the buyer thinks the coin is misdescribed. If someone wants to leave me a negative with that policy in place, screw 'em.

The one time I had any real problem was someone who decided he was unhappy with some ICG PR70 $25 coin a couple months after the fact. I offered to let him return the coin but apparently he didn't really want to do that, instead he wanted me to send him a "true" PR70 (maybe a PCGS one for $25?) He ended up leaving me a nasty feedback but marked as a positive. The wording of it made it pretty clear to anyone reading it that he was a little off-base.

gmarguli

who you callin' stupid?

Should we let the board decide?

What do you call a person who moves from Seattle, Washington to Rochester, Minnesota?

newbiecollector

Well I would like to offer an observation and a comment.

As some on here know I am pretty new to collecting but I am fairly active as a BUYER ONLY.

I depend (correctly or not) on having a positive feedback. I think it helps me get ebay sellers to agree to let me bid, and if winning, ship to me in Norway. Since I have won very few auctions I don't have many feedbacks.

Secondly, I think that a seller should wait until he knows that the deal was totally accepted before giving feedback. This comment is of course from a non-seller, and a guy with limited experience but to me seems logical.

If I was a seller I can't think of but one reason I would leave an immediate feedback. That is if I had long, very good dealing with the buyer or he was a freind.

I feel that the buyer is too exposed to later criticism, bad feedback by reacting before "everyone" is happy with the deal.

Hope this added something to the thread besides my bad typing.

crito

Secondly, I think that a seller should wait until he knows that the deal was totally accepted before giving feedback.

newbiecollector, I did that very thing when I started selling on eBay. Of my first 10 transactions, I received 1, yes that's right, ONE stinkin' feedback. Since I started leaving feedback immediately upon receipt of payment, that's jumped to 8 out of 10 bidders (the other 20% probably wouldn't leave any even if you jumped through flaming hoops for 'em.) The one person I pestered said he felt like I was keeping his feedback hostage. Since then, I don't even bother asking if they've received the coin... I'm sure they'll contact me if they haven't. Maybe when I become an eBay Tycoon like Greg, with a quadrillion positives, it won't matter as much

newbiecollector

crito........

I hear you. As I said I am not a seller. My comment was from an inexperienced stand point but meant as an objective, or maybe subjected, personal "feeling"........ no experience basis what so ever.

gmarguli

crito, I used to leave feedback when I received payment. I stopped due to feedback abuses.

I was receiving about 50% feedback when I posted theirs right away. Now that I require them to contact me and let me know the item arrived and they are happy, I am receiving around 80%+ feedback.

crito

greg, like I metioned previously, I don't always leave immediate feedback. Some bidders start complaining before they've paid or received the coin. My blocked bidder list is mile long already.

FIRE760

<< <i>
What do you call a person who moves from Seattle, Washington to Rochester, Minnesota? >>


a masochistic