Yikes...how is grading going for everyone???

mnmcoin

I was wondering if I was the only one experiencing rather poor results in the last week or two. I hate to complain and *itch and moan again, but this is starting to get old. Three invoices total (15 day submissions) about 30 coins and just absolutely demolished...one coin got the grade I thought was appropriate...what is that like 3%. Yikes indeed. When will this let up?

morris <><

ps thank for listening to my moaning and groaning...it makes me feel better...oh and yes, like the glutton for punishment that I am I checked my grades friday and they were in and of course it ruined my weekend

littlewicher

I'm expecting my results from my latest submission any day now. I really hope that I don't get really disappointed.

nwcs

Well, of my last 36 I sent in, only about 7 got the grade I expected, 2 were better, and the rest far worse...

Russ

That's strange, Morris. On my last submission every coin graded higher then I thought it would.

Russ, NCNE

littlewicher

Well, Russ, we all know how you undergrade.

Coin Finder

To make a long story short. I got a 64 on a PQ 66 walker. $50 bucks down the drain. 30 pluse postage both ways. Only good news is that it is a DD obv. V-104 according to Bruce Fox book on Walkers. This coin is a 66 all day long and half the night. You could drop this coin onto gravel and it would be a 65!! it has flash, surfaces, two count them, two marks total full thumb, feathers (aka great strike) Blast white with light toning. it does have some die polish marks and some die cracks AS STRUCK!!

Sorry just venting!!

I will send it into Anacs get the proper grade from thoses pros and a attribution for less money and faster service.

Tbig

Steve27

Morris,

Here are the results from my one and only submission:


1998-S 50C SMS MS69
F.D.R. $5 1997-W MS69
2002-W S$1 West Point Bicentennial MS68

If I had to get two 69s and one 68 on these three, this would be the way to get it, but I thought the West Point had a shot a 70 (go figure). I'm not going to draw any conclusions until I see the slab, but I wonder if it got damaged in transit.

littlewicher

I sent in a 1970-D Jefferson Nickel that I think should grade MS65 FS. The steps are there, there's just a tiny weak area.

a2labmom

I have recently submitted 2 invoices (13 coins) for grading.

The first invoice (all Mercs) broke down like this:
1 real disappointment (a body bag)
1 minor disappointment MS64 that I thought was MS65
4 right on
5 Better than I hoped.

The second invoice (1 Merc and 1 double Eagle) broke down like this:
1 real disappointment (a body bagged Merc)
1 right on

Whether this is good or not, I guess it's up to the observer. I'm OK with these results, but am disappointed at having gotten a body bags on each of my submissions. I had one submission earlier this year that resulted in a body bag as well.

TheBlackKnight

My last 4 invoices, most of these coins were modern proofs.
13 of 50 were lower than expected
25 of 68 were lower than expected some by as much as 3 points
3 of 20 were lower than expected
8 of 20 were lower than expected

keets

TBE

they probably graded that walker during the part of the night when it was only a 64!!

i got my morgan back today, in a 65 holder just like i thought it should be so i guess i'm the exception here. she looks much more comfortable in that holder. i think that old green one she'd been in was a little to "cramped" for her. some would disagree.

al h.

gmarguli

I've found the grading to be OK. They aren't giving high grades away, but my last few submissions haven't been given insanly low grades. Practically everything coming back dead on or within 1 point.

coinnerd

My last submission of 5 got 4 body bags and a full luster standing lib quarter graded 50. The $10 Indian came back wizzed. I know what wizzed looks like and this isn't. All the gold people I've shown it to call it a 62 or 3.
The thing I like least is when they say a coin has altered surfaces and don't say how they are altered. I could at least learn somthing if they would do this.

steventheyn

Of the last 20 coins I sent in to PCGS, 11 were right on, 3 were one grade lower, 1 was two grades lower, and five graded higher than I thought. Not too bad.

keets

coinnerd

you raise a question that i've voiced before. when they bag a coin it would be nice if we at least got an explanation short of the few words on the insert. after all, we are charged full grade fee for in essence, nothing. and it wouldn't need to be a full page diatribe, but something like "hairlines, obverse field" could at least remove some of the criticism that results from questionable bagging. but i guess they aren't in business to help us improve our grading skills. with all that said i don't really have much disagreement with the results i've gotten since i first started to submit. i've learned from my mistakes and that's about the most i can expect.

al h.

fletch2645

Out of my last 5 submissions, I have been greatly dissapointed in the grades received. About 6 months ago, I invested in a stereo microscope so that I could get a really good look at the coins submitted for grading. Using the microscope, I think I have developed quite an "eye" for high grade silver eagles. The net result of my examinations of rolls of these coins is that I have rejected at least half of them before preparing them for grading. Of the remaining coins, I only get about a 5% MS69 grade. I think that is deplorable, especially when I sell them on ebay and the buyers tell me that the MS68 coins look better than the 69's in their collections.

A year ago, without the use of the microscope, I would get an average of 25% grading MS69. (by the way--the rolls came from the same sources and were unsearched). Maybe it's just the series, but PCGS has DEFINITELY tightened the vice on grading these coins. Guess what? I've stopped spending my money gettting these coins graded, and I suspect several other people have too. So much for PCGS generating extra revenue.

Russ

I actually got a pleasant surprise today. One of my submissions just posted with two of the three coins grading a point higher then I thought they would. The third coin was on the money. I'm sure they'll make up for that on the other two submissions I have in right now, though.

Russ, NCNE

Bear

Listen my friends, If PCGS gets any tougher, instead of bagging your coin, they will come to your house and put you in the body bag. Now that would really be tough. Bear

FlyTooHigh

And once PCGS bags you (enough times), I'm sure you will not send them any more coins to grade.

Android

My two biggest dissapointments lately have been with two Mercs.

PCGS 1934D MS65 FB = NGC MS65
PCGS 1937S MS66 FB = NGC MS65

That REALLY hurt....

Neither came back from NGC as FB!!

I made the mistake of buying ( and trusting) the holder rather than the coin.

I still think both are FB but the bands are pretty flat and the split is pretty shallow. I think NGC is rougher on the FB designation than PCGS is. They for sure are tougher on FBL.

Andy

clevegreg

Boy, I almost don't want to ask, but WHY did you break out 2 high grade coins in PCGS holders and send them to NGC????????

Greg

airplanenut

My only submission ever (in June) came back a 63 Definitely at LEAST a 66... some people here have even said up to 68... I'm going to a coin show to hear the popular opinion there (TomB, you're gonna get to see this one!)

good OBV scan...
REV scan doesn't do my baby justice! (at all)

Jeremy

PS- still venting about this, sorry

Android

Greg,

I cracked them out because I like the look of NGC holders. I normally buy raw coins at shows and send them in for grading, but I saw these two mercs in PCGS holders that are really pretty coins. Because of PCGS's reputation, I didn't think there would be any problem getting the same grade from NGC. It never entered my mind that the two companies may differ on what "FB" is. I thought about just trying for a crossover, but knowing how PCGS and NGC have this "competition", I didn't want to predjudice my chances of "politics" entering the equation, so I cracked them out. Twas an expensive lesson that shall NOT be repeated. I think i'll just continue to go to shows and cherry pick raw stuff that I think is a higher grade than what the dealer thinks, pay a reasonable price and send the coin in myself. It's actually alot more fun to "make" a slabbed coin than it is to buy one anyway!

Andy

jtryka

I sent in a bunch of moderns, and I learned my lesson finally to stay with the classics. Here are the positive and negative surprises:

Positive:
2002-S Sac$ PR-69DCAM
1990 cent MS-66 RD

Negative:
2002-S Kennedy Silver PR-66DCAM
1997-P Kennedy MS-64

All the others were pretty much at or slightly below what I expected.

kieferscoins

Submission #340629

LINE # CERT # COIN DATE DENOMINATION VARIETY GRADE
1 60022490 1853 25C Arrows and Rays VF25
2 60022491 1866 5C Rays G06
3 60022492 1854-O 50C Arrows VG08

Date Received: 07/29/2002
Date Shipped: 08/19/2002

The rays shield nickel is a pop 1! A coin Braddick does not have.

Cameron Kiefer