Grade them please!!

cacheman

Hi all, just returned from a road trip and picked up a few Morgans at a little shop in Wyoming. I think I got a good deal but will wait to tell you what I think the grades are, and what I paid, until I get some grades from you criminals Please disregard the tape/glue scurvey on the 91P Obv...it'll go bye-bye soon enough.

This is my first attempt at using my ISP provided file server so beware that these files are large. I'll try to do better next time. Thanks! Scott

02P-obv
02P-rev

82S-obv
82S-rev

91P-obv
91P-rev

Placid

02p 65-66 nice

91p 64-65

82s 64

keets

hey squat, the only scan that opened was the 91 obverse and it looks to be a 64-65.

al h.

edited cause the scans are up now.

02---63

82---64

prooflike

02-P MS65
82-S MS64PL (might be a 65 depending on the fields)
91-P MS62

welcome back!

cacheman

keets, try it again, I've been editing the image locations......sheesh, dyslexia, or is that lexdysia, has set in

Russ

I know nothing about Morgans, but that 1902 sure looks pretty to me.

Russ, NCNE

Cam40

`02=63
`82S=53
`91=64

itsnotjustme

02-P MS65
82-S AU50
91-P Body Bag for env damage or MS65

FlyTooHigh

02 - MS65
82 - S MS64
91 - MS63

Dog97

I call all 3 MS-64.

stockwiz

65
53
64

respectively.

Catch22

1. 64 if they let the rims go by.
2. 63
3. 63

coindaughter

Thanks for getting them up. I'm still getting my grading eyes. Does the '82 look like it has been cleaned?

Nice scans!

cacheman

Coindaughter, the 82 hasn't been cleaned. Also, enable your pm, you'd be surprised how much chatter goes on behind the scenes

ARCO

Nice Coins Berkley

I have lost my grading book so I will have to use my own vernacular

Clean
Nectar &
Damn fine!

Glad you found out how to work these crazy contraptions!

Whitewashqtr

1902 - MS65

1882 - MS62

1991 - MS63

cacheman

TTT

cacheman

Okay, here's the story. I go into a little shop in a small town in Wyoming that will remain nameless (I"m going back!!!). The insides of the glass cases hadn't seen a dusting cloth in years...neither had the dealer/owner. Nice enough guy but I got off on the wrong foot when I asked if he had any slabbed Morgans. He immediately pointed at hand written signs explaining that grading wasn't a science only an opinion. He then went into a tirade that the companies were out to get our money. Well, after the riot act, I had a chance to ask if he had any MS Morgans and he says that he doesn't, but he has uncirculated Morgans...??? Okay, I say, can I see some? Well, it takes him 15 minutes to open the safe and he pulls out five or six shoe boxes filled with cardboard 2X2 containing Morgans. I threw out some dates and he starts pulling them out. He kept trying to sell me the circulated coins because they were a better deal and I had to explain a number of times I was interested in uncirculated only. He really blew me away when he says "Take a look at these dandy's...", sheesh, he hands me a 92S proof and a 95S proof in these nasty old 2X2's. I just about pooped cookies!! I'm not even going to say what price was on them...unfortunately they were more than I could afford but much less than what they were worth!

Well, I had people waiting for me and I could have stayed in the place for a week or longer. I grabbed the three coins you have been grading, a very old but new Dansco U.S. Major Type Coins Album, and a double volume Dansco Morgan Album set.
I want to go back...and soon. The guy is 85 years old and mentioned he didn't have any kids to take over when he dies. I would love to talk him into letting me work with him for a month or so...free of charge of course. Wouldn't that be a great experience?

Oh yeah, the coins......while in the shop I graded the 82S as an MS60 and bought it for an AU55 price. The 91P looked MS64 to me and bought it for MS60 price. The 02P I thought would grade 64 and I bought it for MS60 price. If the 02 is 64 it would pay for the rest of the coins. If it comes in higher, it pays for the other coin shop visit across the street too.

I think I made a heck of a deal for a newbie......

Read my next "Grade Thread" and see the coins I got across the street......trust me, it wasn't as sweet. Thanks All, Scott

mnmcoin

64, 61, 63

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dorkkarl

1902 = ms-66+, 1882-s = ms-64+, 1991 = ms-64

nice set!

FlyTooHigh

OK Scott, nice coins and great deal. But, you forgot to mention exactly WHERE that shop is located?

Gilbert

64, 53 net, 63

Placid

Nice story
I hope when you go back the place is still there and it wasn't one of those twilight zone type things

Dog97

So what's wrong with the 82-S to grade 60? It looks well struck and the rev looks prooflike. Is it really that ugly? Techincaly it looks 64 but the mark on the cheek could bring it down to 62 if it is very deep. Explain your opinion of the 60 grade, please.

coinguy1

Cacheman and others who seek grading opinions, based on images, from board members - if you're doing this for fun, by all means, enjoy! If, on the other hand, you are seeking accurate grading opinions you're asking the IMPOSSIBLE.

NO ONE, no matter how expert at grading, can give an accurate grading opinion, simply by viewing images (no matter how wonderful those images might be). A coin must be tilted and rotated properly, under proper lighting conditions, in order to grade it accuartely. Images do not allow for such examination and do not permit viewers to accurately observe the luster, variances or accuracy in color or toning, reflectivity, hairlines, cleaning or alterations, among many other factors.
I say this, as a former grader (for 7) years at NGC. I will spare you my long winded introduction here, but if you care to read it, feel free to go to my "A VERY long winded introduction " thread which I posted as my first message to this board, earlier today.

cacheman

Quite frankly Dog, because I'm a newbie and cower on the side of the conservative (just a safer place to be until I learn more). I just took a look at it under my 10X stereoscope. I thought I had detected some rub on her cheek originally but it appears to that isn't the case. The "scratch" isn't deep and appears to be as old as the coin. I know some would say "you must dip it" but I bought it for it's orginality. I just love coins that LOOK old too. The reverse is PL with a nice mirror. Good eye Dog! I'll be a happy camper if this grades higher for obvious reasons

cacheman

CoinGuy, PLEASE....this is obviously done for fun.....it keeps the animals at bay! No one in their right mind would call any of the grades gospel. We have fun trying to see pinpoints the grade the best by using the inherent flaws associated with scanned images. Trust me, if someone takes this serious then they would need to go elsewhere

Dog97

Yeah, just for fun. Kinda educational too I guess. When I give an opinion based on a scan it's just a ball park guestimation. My opinion is simply that, my opinion. But I'm pretty good and point out things a lot of collectors don't see.

cacheman

You got that right Dog.....and from what I have seen of your history, your pretty much right on too. There are nuances, e.g. mirrors, that can be picked up on through scans through practice for instance. In this case I wanted evryone interested to give their opinion before I sent them off to my "brick and mortar" man for a real evaluation prior to any submissions. I ain't gonna spend the bucks for slabbing if it isn't worth it.....prudent, yes. Responsible? yes, at least in my wife's eyes...heh heh Scott