How can a Lincoln (1909 S VDB) be MS15?

mrpaseo · August 10, 2002 6:00AM

Found this in an Ebay auction.

Ray

MacCoin · August 10, 2002 6:07AM

got to love these mint state 15 grades. I seen a couple of these lately

indianabyron · August 10, 2002 6:08AM

Wow I didnt know there was a grade ms15 . I guess its going to be the next big collector thing in coins. Here I was trying to get the ms67,68.69.70s I could. Heck if I knew there were ms15 I would have been going for those this whole time.

Byron

dbldie55 · August 10, 2002 6:11AM

PCGS has been doing this a lot lately. Perhaps they are going away from the non-numerical descriptions.

kryptonitecomics · August 10, 2002 6:13AM

That is really strange. What was PCGS thinking. I thought MS denoted Uncirculated. May be it's an impaired business Strike in Fine Condition.

steventheyn · August 10, 2002 6:20AM

That doesn't make any sense. I've heard of impaired proofs being PR15, but not MS15. I think (hope) it's a typo.

1jester · August 10, 2002 7:38AM

Ditto. I hope it's a typo.

Conder101 · August 10, 2002 7:44AM

Back in the days when the ANA was developing the modified Sheldon grading system there was some discussion about how actually the numbers were all that were needed and that it would be possible to do away with the adjectives altogether. Some thing like MS-15 would be perfectly fine because it would indicate a business strike coin in (Fine) 15 grade. The concept never gained acceptance though and the adjectives stayed. However I think these we have been seeing are just aquality control problem at PCGS.

ARCO · August 10, 2002 7:49AM

Well the scan isn't so hot. But MS15 seems like a glamorizing of a F-15.

I love those sellers that put F- or VF- to try and highlight the higher grade. HEY BUDDY...there is a grade for F-, it is called VG10 or F15/F18 for the VF- hypsters.

It is all part of the promotion side of coins.

Tyler

dbldie55 · August 10, 2002 7:50AM

The cover of the August 6th Numismatic News has a 1946 War Nickel PCGS graded MS12. The article actually brings up the "error" on the part of PCGS. Not sure that is means much though, as the number tells the story, not the letters in front (unless it is PR vs. MS)

dddangerousdan · August 10, 2002 8:27AM

<< <i>PCGS has been doing this a lot lately. Perhaps they are going away from the non-numerical descriptions. >>

Could be that this is there way of getting more of us to send them back in to be regarded ( sending them more money). If there are 70 grades then you can try to upgrade that f12 to a f13

DAN

Pushkin · August 10, 2002 8:43AM

If you do a certification check in their database it comes up MS-15 also.

dddangerousdan · August 10, 2002 8:44AM

Here is a MS08 You can start a set of MS coins

DAN

canadiancoinguy · August 11, 2002 4:44PM

Let me know if you see a MS01

Bikingnut · August 11, 2002 9:42PM

It seems we should ask the question, Have they changed the way they designate grades. For the last week I've been seeing this a lot on all types of coins.

1907Quarter · August 11, 2002 9:58PM

Is there really a grade F-18?

nwcs · August 11, 2002 10:06PM

<< <i>Is there really a grade F-18? >>

It's reserved only for Navy and honorably discharged Navy people.

muenzen · August 11, 2002 10:25PM

Maybe it wasn't a typo, but the new way of doing things at PCGS. PR used for proof. Why not MS for the business strike coins? Proof is not a condition, but a method of manufacture as they say. Well, MS will now denote a method of manufacture for the business strikes. Now we will have to contend with the impaired MS-15 versus the old, F-15. Mint State is a method of manufacture, not a condition!