Quick question on ACG

prooflike

I tried my luck with an ACG coin and promptly returned it as it had PVC damage (besides being cleaned, etc..)

My question is, has anyone ever seen(in person) an accurately graded, no problem coin in an ACG slab?

Placid

I think you would have better odds of finding someone who has seen a ghost

TWODOGS

<< <i>I tried my luck with an ACG coin and promptly returned it as it had PVC damage (besides being cleaned, etc..)

My question is, has anyone ever seen(in person) an accurately graded, no problem coin in an ACG slab? >>


I have seen Bigfoot, UFOs, The Loch Ness Monster and The Boogey Man, but never an accurately graded coin in an ACG holder. (Although I do have a coin in one that I like.)

FlyTooHigh

There are some things in life that are never what they seem to be. A coin in an ACG holder is one of them.

stockwiz

Never buy accugrade. Let this be your first and only lesson.

Mrpawn

You got off fairly easy with your ACG experience compared to others.

prooflike

Yeah. yeah, yeah...I knew better. But it looked good in the scans and had a return policy... I learned...never again, that's for sure!

hjohn74

The only good thing about an ACG coin is....well, nothing. I made the newbie mistake. Never again!

JeffinMich

I will shamefully admit that as a rookie, I purchased a couple common date Walkers in ACG - MS64 slabs. They appear to be close to the stated grade....with no major problems. I believe this is the exception, not the rule, and won't be purchasing any more ACG slabs after what I have seen on this board.

zenny

i've actually purchased a couple acg coins, kind of like a Conder slab-collecting thing. i didn't pay very much for them but i've got what they call a "cracked skull" cent from 1995 in "ms-68 RED" and a 1943 "FEB ms-66" 25 center. probably paid fifteen bucks all told for them.

i know it's not nearly as impressive as a pcgs ms08 or ms15, but i felt that if i was to bash acg, as i'm a wont to do, i should at least have some reference points.

the only other acg that's passed through my hands was an '84 olympic dollar in proof70dcam, which was photographed with the most gorgeous rainbow in the auction, but the rainbow turned out to be the nastiest fingerprint, pre pcgs fingerprint era, that i'd ever seen on a "perfect" proof coin. it went back, and as i feedbacked ah-collectibles at the time, the return was processed quickly.

Any Coin's Good enough

All Coins overGraded

Alan Can't Grade

A Complete Goof

BAJJERFAN

ACG graded coins aren't totally worthless; they can always be used as horrible examples.

Rob0126

So if a coin, in an ACG holder, IS, the right grade, is that worth more, since it's right?


Robert

FlyTooHigh

No, it's generally a mistake on the part of the ACG grader.

TWODOGS

I stated in my earlier reply that I have one coin in an ACG holder that I like. The slab is one of the old photograde slabs and the coin in it is an 1878 7tf. VAM 117 "Tripled Star." It's a Top 100. The slab states that it is an 1878 8-tf in MS-64 PL. The obverse is probably a 62, maybe 63 on a good day, and the reverse is a solid 63. It's NOT PL, however. Still, all in all, for the money it was a good buy.

Anyway...I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you like the coin for the money spent, it doesn't much matter in whose plastic it resides.

4thStooge

Yes! You can find the occassional no problem, correctly graded ACG coin. Very few but they are out there. Months ago, a few board members reported that they were able to not only cross the coins to PCGS and NGC but got a bump in grade to boot. I've seen a few ACG coins I wouldn't mind owning.

dddangerousdan

<< <i>So if a coin, in an ACG holder, IS, the right grade, is that worth more, since it's right? >>





<< <i>No, it's generally a mistake on the part of the ACG grader >>



So if you send it back for a regrade will you have to pay THEM the difference in value

DAN

FC57Coins

Hi all:

I'm new to the forum, but have been collecting for a while - the old addage stands true here - buy the coin, not the holder. I bought a Franklin graded MS67FBL in an ACG holder, and got it for a really great price.... knowing full well that it was PCGS 65 FBL material. As long as the person you're dealing with doesn't try to push the grade on one of these slabs you're ok. At a recent coin show someone had a 1916 SL quarter graded VG10 in an ACG slab. Not only did the coin look AG3 at best, but it had a hole drilled into the edge... The dealer tried to tell me that all of that had been taken into account when assigning the grade - I told him to have a nice day.

FC

Rob0126

Is ACG trying to become legit?!

Maybe ACG will surpass some of the other grading services.

You know what would be funny, if we had a time machine, and went to teh future, and found out, ACG was the premiere grader.

Robert

AcgDealer

Many ACG coins are actually undervalued and are great buys for savvy collectors who know to buy the coin, not the holder.

clw54

<< <i>...At a recent coin show someone had a 1916 SL quarter graded VG10 in an ACG slab. Not only did the coin look AG3 at best, but it had a hole drilled into the edge... The dealer tried to tell me that all of that had been taken into account when assigning the grade - I told him to have a nice day.

FC >>




I wouldn't trust it to be a real 1916, either.

prooflike

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No wonder they are all overgraded if they only grade on strike & luster and don;t take contact marks into consideration...(not to mention cleaning, PVC, ex-jewelry, etc...)


This explains it.

MastaHanky

I actually bought a Lincoln from a very respectable collector about a year and a half ago. It was successfully crossed from an ACG MS63RD holder to a PCGS MS64RD. Bargains DO exist out there!

FC57Coins

<< <i>Many ACG coins are actually undervalued and are great buys for savvy collectors who know to buy the coin, not the holder. >>



That may be fine if the dealers who deal in these coins actually deal on the coin rather than the holder. I've been to several shows where dealers insist that the grade on ACG coins is accurate... well if that's the case then they can keep the coin, the holder, and I'll keep my money. I guess it boils down to one really simple concept. IF you grade coins accurately, people will trust you. What a concept!

Frank

Placid

Here is a acg for you chance takers

Link

Coppernicus

I've actually had an ACG graded Lincoln that was WAY undergraded!! I cracked it, submitted it to PCGS and it came back an MS66 (It was an ACG MS64). Unbelievable!! BUT, that is the ONLY one....ever....so I just don't buy the ACG slabs anymore.

One in a couple of hundred (or so) are not very good odds...

Coppernicus

fletch2645

I recently had an ACG Morgan crossover attempt fail at PCGS even when I specified a minimum grade 2 points lower than the grade on the slab. I cracked it out, dipped it, and resubmitted it to PCGS as a raw coin and it came back a point higher than the ACG assigned grade. I'm not going to push my luck on any more of them.

BBN

BREAK THEM OUT OF THE ACG HOLDER AND RESELL IT FOR MORE AS A RAW COIN

airplanenut

If you see them in person... the slab could make them cheap... but on ebay... with bad scans...

hey... i think i once saw an indian gold $2.50 or $5... in person... that couldn't have been more than a point off its MS grade...