Monster Toned Morgans- What is good?

jamesfsm

I know that, like all coins, Toneheads prefer slabbed coins at MS65 and up.

But, what colors are good?

I remember a time when a brightly colored arc or crescent in the right location was as good as it gets. Now, the answer seems "no." Monsters are now full obverse toned in deep colors. It seems the full obverse toned ones are easiest to AT. Thoughts? Ideas??

I actually do like a large bright crescent on an MS65 coin that resembles Liberty looking at the Sky or being lifted up by an arc of color. And, these crecent coins are hardest to replicate IMO.

Dog97

I'm conservative-I like a simple bag rainbow or a bulleyes periph from an album on Morgans and the blue-purple tone of an original Barber that's dark on the rims and gets lighter toward the center so that Liberty is white. Ones that I can easily explain and authenticate, look pretty & original and don't carry a huge prem.
Every once in a while I'll snag a funky pattern from eBay just because it looks strange like a black mottled Merc with a white tab in a PCGS slab or an NGC Morgan with a Zorro mask & a black hat on or something unusual like that.
Don't care nuthin bout green & red monsters though.

telecoin

Here's a few I just picked up:
1885 P
1886 P
1887 P
1885 O
I don't usually handle these, but I couldn't pass them up.

jamesfsm

Tele- I like the 1885-P. Is it for sale??

More to the point, I echo what Dog says. I like album toned Morgans and crescents where you can really tell that one coin laid on top of another for 50 years. The full obverse greens and reds (and I own one) look AT to me and I have a hard time imagining how they got that way.

telecoin

Tele- I like the 1885-P. Is it for sale??
I put them up on ebay tonight.

braddick

telecoin! Great Morgans.
I also like them with the bright, forest green mixed with maroon and purple. Of course this combination is one of the most expensive. Just my luck. . .

Graham

Braddick, I know what you mean...I only have one morgan fully toned with vibrant greens, reds, golds and blues. But try finding one with those colors and lusterous prooflike fields.

IrishMike

some pretty coins, here is the last toned one I have left in my collection. Obeverse is blast white, 1883-0 slabbed MS64.Link

jamesfsm

IM- Is that for sale??

IrishMike

No, it's going to stay in my collection for a long time. It's pure eye-candy.

pmh1nic

jamesfsm

You find a blast white version of the coin and provide a high resolution scan of the type of monster toning you want and I've got a guy that can take care of it with a guarantee that it will get slabbed by PCGS. What do you say.

O.k. I really don't know a guy but a few folks out there might. If it could be done would you go for it?

Irishmike

If someone could churn these out by the hundreds what would that do to the price of your coin?

IrishMike

pmh1, I paid $65 for that coin a ways back. Not much to lose is there.

ArtR

<< <i>Toneheads prefer slabbed coins at MS65 and up. >>


Can't speak for everyone, but I would buy a monster toned Morgan in a heartbeat raw. About half of the toned Morgans that I still own were bought this way. As far as grade I do go for the highest grade I can afford, but the color is the #1 factor in selecting a coin.



<< <i>But, what colors are good? >>


Different collectors have different tastes, but on a whole Emerald Green, and Cherry Red are the two colors that are preferred by most collectors. Talking Morgans here.



<< <i>I remember a time when a brightly colored arc or crescent in the right location was as good as it gets. Now, the answer seems "no." Monsters are now full obverse toned in deep colors >>


Not True!!!! A Morgan with a large crescent still can be a Monster. As long as it meets the criteria that is necessary to be put in this category, Vivid color, Great Luster, and Jaw dropping eye appeal. .

dorkkarl

i'd like to put in 2c worth, but not regarding morgans.

bust coinage is my favorite, and my experience has been that, oddly enough, it is slider uncs that tend to pick up the best colors. it may be because unc coins have been repeatedly dipped/cleaned over the years and had toning removed, but my primo best coins in terms of color/eye appeal have slight rub.

K S

gemtone65

Generally speaking, the red-green monster toned Morgans are the most desirable. Although they are not the scarcest type of toning, their owners refuse to part with them, so they rarely become available to collectors who would love to have some.

Becuase such coins are tightly held, most toned dollar collectors seek out pieces with second best colors, those that are unusual, and those having multiple colors. Crescent pieces can be very attractive, and because they usually cover less than one third of the coin, they are affordable. However, at the same time, appreciation potential is somewhat limited for all but the most exceptional pieces.

Bag toned pieces are typical more vibrant than end roll of album toned coins. In fact, finding a monster toned end roll or album piece is very difficult.

Some collectors seem to be enamored with the textile dots left on the coin by the canvas bag. I can understand the appeal, but the notion of paying a premium for these dots eludes me.

An interesting question is how much of the coin must be toned to qualify as a monster, i.e., a coin that can command a significant premium. I don't think there is any one answer. The more vibrant the colors, the less of the coin probably needs to be toned to be considered a monster. But, that said, it's hard for me to imagine considering a coin monster toned if the colors cover less than one-third of the coin.

ArtR

I'm one of those guys that Gemtone65 is talking about. I'm a TEXTILE NUT, as long as the pattern is not blurred or weak, and the toning is vivid with vibrant luster. Monster toned dollars are rare, Monster Toned Textile dollars are the rarest of the rare.

gsaguy

Gemtone65,

I'm with ArtR on this one. I love a textile pattern on a Morgan, not only because I think it looks neat, but because it's the rarest of the rare when it comes to original mint bag toning. In fact, if you've got any Morgans with those pesky dots, I'll be glad to take them off your hands at Greysheet ASK!

GSAGUY

matteproof

End Rolls are my favorite - provided they are deeply toned. The vivid geometry and triangular patterns, layered with color, are both scarce and dramatic. Textiles are nice, but can be overrated. The best ones will look like "chickenpox," while the most common ones are often nothing more than fingerprint patterns assumed to be bag prints.

matteproof