Traders Retreat what a terrible web site And BAD Customer Service

boggs301012

They treat people horrible when you give them some ideas they are butt hurt. I Went to join..I think the 2nd of AUG and filled out the application got a response saying it is under review. I get anoter Response today. Here is the response and my response from them . In My opinion a very bad move they should have took the idea and rejected it or used it but I didnt think they would be so rude. They want to much personal information. I can see giving other site names and ebay names . But Other peoples address...no

2nd email from them.(below) The first was a blah blah thanks blah blah blah letter.


Thank you for applying to Traders Retreat. It's
always great to know that there are people
interested in a trading site that's about as SAFE as
you can get these days. We here at TR thoroughly go
over ALL of the pending members. Which brings me to
this email. In order for us to see what kind of
trader you are we need your REFERENCES, EBAY ID, NAME & ADDRESS, and
anything else you might deem helpful to us in this task so we can make
a
decision.

Thank you,

Eric G.
Grams Sportscards



The third email from them and my responseNo thanks please remove my name....you need to ask
these questions in the initial Application not 3 days
later. I get less questions in a credit app...my coll
univ should have been enuff...half your memebers are
from there...I have been there over a year close to
year and a half!!!!! I am a very upstanding member.

Edited for a typo.


No problem. We have over 30 applications a day to do background cks on to make sure we dont get any thieves/scammers in our secure site. If your that impatient and dont want to give out any information then thats fine. We dont want you either. Enjoy CU and the other sites that harbor the thieves.

Good evening.

Eric G.
Grams Sportscards
MC/VISA/AMEX/JCB
email: gschomi@aol.com
Ebay id: Mpwer (500 + feedback)
http://groups.msn.com/TradersRetreat/gramssportscardsmpower.msnw
TR Council



4th response This must have struck a nerve it took minutes to get a response!!


In a message dated 8/4/2002 10:21:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, jamesandangie2002@yahoo.com writes:




Nice response I tell you no thanks and you get butt
hurt? I tell you those questions should have been ask
from the beginnings not threedays later I never said I
was in a hurry..but if I knew then I wouldnt have
bothered to apply for that worthless site.I dont go
into Mcdonald and place an order the three days later
get the other half...my point was and it went over
your head ...get all the info the first time not piece
by piece. It took three days to get a response ..my
rejection letter TO YOU took hours.I rejected you.Very
bad customer service.


James



Your loss. We are SOOOOOO glad you are not a member and did not get thru our steps to make sure we dont get people like you.

Or is that "over your head"?

Eric






Another email Which was unsolicited from them they call me a thief

LOL. You are making us look so good. Your the first person in over a year that had a problem with our simple questions. Maybe its because you have something to hide and your a thief? Hmmmm.

Eric


Can any here say I ever ripped them off..PLEASE ANYONE??????? Eric has some real issues.My only point was ask the questions from the get go. Not piece by piece. Eric easy dont bow a gasket . Count to 10 I know your reading this.

vittleboy

I Dont want to start anything because god knows i can lol and i think me and JSA have made peace so this below is not towards TR but just one member.

But Thats Mpower for ya a real class Act. I still dont know why TR Keeps him on staff

Belfan

They do harbor thieves! I'm still waiting after 2 months to get cards from one of the members of their "secure" site. They only reason I didn't apply was because of their application reqiurements. I never, ever give out anybody elses e-mail address or home address... EVER! And I would appreciate it if nobody ever gave out mine. They can have their so call "Secure" site. what a crock of crapola! Whew, I feel better now.

mcdee2

biggjc

If CU is so bad why does Eric and the so called traders that run TR still use this site ..........


Great Post needed a good laugh after the hard day I had.....Thanks

USArules

The TR council are nice people. They have to have time to check the references so they dont let a thieve in. If you aren't willing to give them the references they need, then dont bother trying to join. I think you should treat the TR council with respect if you are planning on joining, thats only my opinion,
Pat

boggs301012

whats a couple days?? as for customer service.. is it a pay site now??? in what way would you be a "customer" if you dont have to pay for anything at all to be a member.

I wasnt worried about a time frame? Did you read that part? Pay site ? No payment involved but they are performer a customer service even though it is free. Isnt the Website a service also ?

cranejoshua

First off, why are people that aren't a part of Trader Retreat (for whatever reason) bitter and angry? I can understand wanting to be a part of something, but being retalliatory and mean is not a normal way to act when you are turned down for a card trading organization. Dissapointed I understand, but God help me, I don't see why some people make such a fuss. If you wanted to be a part, why would you be accusitory and critical of the group you wanted to join?

To the OP's question, the reason there is such a thorough background check is to be as certain as we can that the applying member is honest and legitimate. That is the sole purpose of the information request. It isn't some violating disclosure that we would use to destroy your credibility, it is simply a safety net because once in, there is implied trust among members. What is interesting to me is the bitterness and down right anger directed towards TR when these basic precautionary steps are taken. It is in everyone's best interest.

I don't wish CU to be a battling field for other sites, I just wanted to clarify some of the things that have been spoken of.

Josh

Johnscottanthony

As i stated in my email to you. I have many members on TR who trust that im bringing good and trusted traders onto our site. Any trade gone bad on TR (which has been few because of our application process) we reimburse right out of our own pocket. So as i stated in your email, i could care less if it takes 3 hours or 3 weeks, we will check all applicants thourghly. All we asked was for some simply info from you to speed up the process. You initated the rude comments, when Mpower was simply trying to do his job. As he said we get 30 or more applications a day, we have one man checking backgrounds on all the applicants (Mpower). If you cant be the least bit patient and try to work with us, then its not worth either of our time. You may not appreciate our questions and application proccess, but i can promise you I have many TR members who do and feel safe because of it.

Again sorry CU, that this was brought here.



JSA

colton

i say keep the sh!t about TR and other sites to your self..u make me jelous

vincesanity

Don't hate the playa

HATE THE GAME............

boggs301012

Johnscottanthony

Not a very good follow up . I wasnt rude I was giving some advice dont like it dont use it. A person representing a CO should never try to take the upper hand from a customer. On your Initial APP No were DID it state WE WILL WANT MORE INFO And Personal info of your friends. ONCE AGAIN AND PLEASE LISTEN I dont care if it took 3 hours or 1000000000 It just when I fill out an app and it dosent say more info will be need or this is part 1 of 3,000 I dont like it. And I will not give out some elses info and lets be honest 99% of the people I trade with I really dont know that well. Heck I am sure a long time back I made a trade with you. SO you have my address? MANPOWER was Rude and he even sent more emails after I hadnt sent anymore. I had to finaly block him. Now THAT is good Customer Relations. As for anyone else when I get treated this way I Will speak up. I had all I want to say I did what I wanted, I will not waste any more time with traders retreat.

vittleboy

<< <i>Don't hate the playa

HATE THE GAME............ >>



LOL I just wish i could see TR peoples Trade pages But i cant do that anymore ohh well

vincesanity

Well Vittle.....

I did away with mine and made a personal site just for that.........

and yet........I wish you were on TR.........

boggs301012

Johhnnyyy?????

How was this rude...I had to go back and cut and paste ..last commentNo thanks please remove my name...

.you need to ask
these questions in the initial Application not 3 days
later. I get less questions in a credit app...my coll
univ should have been enuff...half your memebers are
from there...I have been there over a year close to
year and a half!!!!! I am a very upstanding member.

Just contructive advice.

Anyone PLEASE HAVE I EVER RIPPED you off? (seriously)

Mpower

Here is the email i send to every applicant and the one i sent to the impatient fellow:


Thank you for applying to Traders Retreat. It's
always great to know that there are people
interested in a trading site that's about as SAFE as
you can get these days. We here at TR thoroughly go
over ALL of the pending members. Which brings me to
this email. In order for us to see what kind of
trader you are we need your REFERENCES, EBAY ID, NAME & ADDRESS, and anything else you might deem helpful to us in this task so we can make a decision.



Can somene please show me where we ask for "Other peoples address"???

I ask for YOUR address not OTHER PEOPLES. What is so bad about waiting a few days till i get to your application? What is so hard about giving me your references, ebay id and YOUR name and address? What do you have to hide?

Or did you maybe make a mistake reading the message and now wont admit it?

Your the one that has some issues.

Oh and hi Vittles. Nice to hear from you.

Johnscottanthony

Boggs we asked for simply info, you became uncooperative at best. When someone doesnt want to give info, its a cause of alarm for us. You are probably a good trader, but we have to do background checks regardless. You say time wasnt a issue, but in your first sentence to Mpower, u mention it was 3 days later you were asked to give references. So time was a problem for you. You have stated u dont want to be a TR member. So I dont see the point of proceeding with this arguement.

Belfan, If there is a TR member who owes you cards. Email me at Johnscottanthony@traderretreat.com. I will be glad to get involved and correct the problem for you. But i cant get involved if im not notified.


JSA

boggs301012

Look buddy,I dont know what your problem is, but we take the time to do reviews of........ More Junk Email. Dont you guys stop? Stop emailing..........

Erica

Why dont you admit you were Rude a blew a gasket?
All I wanted is to show how Rude and unprofessional you were THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH.


OUT AND DONE !!!!

Mpower

<< <i>Look buddy,I dont know what your problem is, but we take the time to do reviews of........ More Junk Email. Dont you guys stop? Stop emailing..........

Erica

Why dont you admit you were Rude a blew a gasket?
All I wanted is to show how Rude and unprofessional you were THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH.


OUT AND DONE !!!! >>



Boggsy... Your just upset because you misread the original message and now you are dodging the question. Please show me where i ask for "Other peoples address"???

Your the first person to get upset over some simple questions. What do you have to hide? In your original email it looks to me that you "blew the gasket". I just responded to it.

As far as you blocking my email...sorry but i blocked you after your 3rd email. Nice try though.

Have a nice day. And hi vittles.

Belfan

I don't want to go that route. If He/She sees this post maybe something will happen. I was told by this person that the cards were on the way. Of course He/She told this to me on 3 other occasions also. I just thought that maybe it was more of a like/dislike thing, than a reference check. Since I'm not the only person to have trouble with this particular trader. I, in no way put TR down, I just called out someone in response to a direct quote "other sites that harbor thieves", this statement insinuates that TR doesn't harbor thieves. You know full well of a couple people on there that are scam artists. Like I said, I meant no disrespect towards TR. I think it was a good idea that just hasn't been pulled off correctly... yet. Maybe you will in the future, but I see to many negative things done by some of TR's members.

Best of Luck TR

Johnsauc

James,

We have made a few deals on some Boggs cards & can attest to you being a stand up trader/buyer, but I think this is getting blown out of proportion here. Eric(not Erica) handles each application & applicant with the same uniform questions & request for info. On the same hand we respect you preference not to give out info you consider of a personal nature but would need it to process your app. Your under no obligation to give us any info you deem private & we're under no obligation to accept your app either. It's a two way street. I'm also sorry this had to spilled over into CU which has no responsilbilty in the matter. It does still amaze me that people apply to TR & if & when something doesn't go their way and/or they are not accepted,then TR stinks, If TR stinks you are more than welcome to honor your option of not applying to sites that stink.

To answer Mike Schillim's question of why we keep Eric(MPower) on staff, the answer is pretty simple because contrary to what a few believe he is exceptional at what he does,he has first hand saved numerous bad trades from occuring.His objective is to protect the existing TR membership. We are glad to have him on staff & if his gig was a paid one he probably be handed a "blank check".

Thanks
John Newman/TR Council

Johnscottanthony

Well Belfan if there are theives and scam artist on TR and youve been waiting as long as you say on cards. I think its your responsibility to infom us who these people are so no one is taken advantage of on TR, CU, CE or any other place. Quite simply i cant do anything concerning a bad trade if no one is willing to step forward and give me info. I alone cant keep TR site, its got to be a group effort. If the best you can do is hint that someone on TR is a bad trader or "scam artist", and you are not willing to step forward and point them out. Then quite frankly my hands are tied.


JSA

baberuthfan2002

Hi everyone. Well, I agree with Boggs. I am a close friend of his and he sent me the emails he got. It seems to me that the people on Traders Retreat were a bit rude. I know if I had signed up for a service and filled out the info asked and then several days later was asked for a lot more personal stuff, I wouldn't want to join either. Everyone on the Internet knows how easy it is to access people's personal information if you do it right. As for giving other people's address's, I definitely wouldn't have done it. That just asks for trouble. And for that company to be legit, but yet calling their *potential* customers names doesn't look too good for their business, if you know what I mean.

As for scammers, well they are everywhere. There are a lot of sites that claim they have only *honest*, *trustworthy* people on their sites and yet have some of the biggest scammers in the world. All I have to say is if a company want to recruit people to join their company, I'd suggest not calling *customers* names and saying they're glad the customer didn't join. That was majorly childish on Traders Retreat part. Keep your head up Boggs!!!

Baberuthfan2002

euphoria18

ummmm the only addresses was his own.. which... you can access very easily on the net anyways. Whats so personal about that? LMAO

BigShane

Here are the e-mails from Mpower I have recieved.

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First one I sent
Hello Scott and Eric,
As you probably know I have sent in a join form for the newest TR Site. Which is very good I might add, nice layout. Anyways I figure with my past problems with you Scott that I won't be accepted. But I thought that you guys should knwo the following info on a bad trader. Below if all the information I have found on him. I am awaiting an e-mail from Beckett's Customer Service, so hopefully something will turn out there. So Eric if you could, I thought you ran the Bad Trader List so please add him. He ripped me off for about $50 in cards.

Victor Lavoie
22 Amory Street
Nashua, New Hampshire 03060
(603)886-3498
Parent(s): Bobbie Lavoie

Known Identities-
*Collector's Universe: baseballman03060
*AOL Instant Messanger: SKATER4LIFE2001 & Skins797783412

Known E-mail Addresses-
*SKATER4LIFE2001@cs.com
*Skins797783412@cs.com

Web Page-
*http://skins797.tripod.com/cards/index.html


"Big" Shane Perry

First Reply from Mpower
Shane, i believe you are on our ban list so as far as you becoming a member thats not going to happen. Maybe if you keep your nose clean for about a year and reapply with references then you might get back in. Ultimately this decision would be made by the managers.

As far as the person who ripped you off...did you send insured., which would be proof he received. Also did he send insured to you and is he saying he sent? What kind of emails are you getting from him if any? Did you get his tel number and give him a call? Please answer these questions for me and i will decide if he needs to be added to our bad trade list.

Thank you,

Eric G.
Grams Sportscards
MC/VISA/AMEX/JCB
email: gschomi@aol.com
Ebay id: Mpwer (500 + feedback)
http://groups.msn.com/TradersRetreat/gramssportscardsmpower.msnw
TR Council

My reply
Eric,
Firat and for most, I have "kept my nose clean" for a while. The only reason I was kicked out of TR in the first place was because a two transactions between Scott and I went bad. I didn't rip him off nor did he rip my off. Then just "Fell through" I guess he has beef with me, because I don't find that to be a good reason to be kept out of TR. Also I was on the Restricted list when you were on MSN, but was taken off.

Now onto Victor. I did not send insured but I have a thread URL for proof he recieved, which he says he recieved on June 10th. He claimed he sent on three different occasions yet none of them got to my residence. I do not get e-mail from him, I do on the other hand have a saved chat we had were we made soem very rude comments. I have his telephone number, yes. But I haven't called him. I probably will not either, I'm only 15 so cahnces of his parents listening to me are slim, and if he picks up he will hang up probably. I will eventually take that step, but right now I'm waiting to hear from The U.S. Postal Inspection Service. Because I sent a Mail Fraud report form in.

PS: I applied with 45+ Ref's this time.

His reply
You need to discuss your obvious disagreement with you being banned from TR with the TR managers not me. I just enforce and do background cks on new applicants and keep banned and questionable people out of TR. I could care less how many refs you have. The point is that you must have screwed up bad enough to be banned from TR and there is more to this story im sure.

I would call and try to talk to his parents and be polite. As far as mail fraud, good luck. Without proof (insurance receipt/cert. mail, registered) you have no proof even if he says he recieved. But i hope it works out for you. I will add him to our list.

thanks for the info.

Eric G.
Grams Sportscards
MC/VISA/AMEX/JCB
email: gschomi@aol.com
Ebay id: Mpwer (500 + feedback)
http://groups.msn.com/TradersRetreat/gramssportscardsmpower.msnw
TR Council

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P|ssed me off. When he said ...


<< <i>I could care less how many refs you have. The point is that you must have screwed up bad enough to be banned from TR and there is more to this story im sure. >>



No response form JSA though.

baberuthfan2002

Maybe if you keep your nose clean for about a year and reapply with references then you might get back in]

<.........I could care less how many refs you have. ...........>


This is exactly what I mean about companies being rude to those who are trying to become members. People like this should not be allowed to work at popular companies that deal with customers on a regular basis. That was just plain rude to make personal comments like that. When you run a business, you don't put your personal feelings in with your professional comments.

And to euphoria18; regardless if they are asking for his address or his mothers, they should have just asked for all the information up front instead of asking part of it, then making it seem like he'd be able to join, and then contacting him days later and saying they need more personal info. If they need the personal info, they need to make it clear to their customers up front so people don't have to go through the hassle of sending more and more personal info and taking the chance of it falling into the wrong hands. There have been lots of places where a consumer went to sign up for their business and someone not so trustworthy used that information to scam the person. It happens......so LMAO all you want. It shows your immaturity.

Baberuthfan2002

euphoria18

So... because they did not ask for all the information in the initial sign up page... they are the wrong ones in this? big deal if they want to get more info from you.



<< <i>I know if I had signed up for a service and filled out the info asked and then several days later was asked for a lot more personal stuff, I wouldn't want to join either. Everyone on the Internet knows how easy it is to access people's personal information if you do it right. As for giving other people's address's, I definitely wouldn't have done it. >>



So... they asked for " a lot more personal stuff" What would this be? And giving other peoples addresses... where did they ask that?

I filled out the exact same thing as boggs did... and so did everyone else on the site.
The only "personal" information they ask for is your address. Like i said... by just having a name.. you can get addresses off the internet. Everytime you log into a website... such as cu... your information can be found out via your ip address.

the the LMAO... if it shows i am "immature" then so be it :-)

euphoria18

Oh and about the "could care less" comment... he stated that he does not make the decisions.


<< <i>You need to discuss your obvious disagreement with you being banned from TR with the TR managers not me. I just enforce and do background cks on new applicants and keep banned and questionable people out of TR. I could care less how many refs you have. >>

Derrick

I can be your heroooooo babyyyyyyy... *barfs*

I bet ya'll wish I was on TR...

baberuthfan2002

Thank you euphoria, I can read you know. My point is he was rude to make that kind of comment to a potential customer. If you owned a business and someone made a comment to a potential customer or to someone who use to be a customer, how would that make your business look? Not very good.....you'd probably lose a lot of business if you had people make comments like this one all the time, right? That was my point.

SoDoMoJo

WHOA!!!!!! HOLD ON!!!!!! i have to jump in here!! i'm not on anyones side BUT you said...........



<< <i>My point is he was rude to make that kind of comment to a potential customer >>



The thing is HE doesn't CARE about you joining TR because if you were a potential customer then you would be Exchanging tender for goods/services but the thing is YOU DON'T GET ANYTHING for joing TR other than a great safe site to trade in.........sorry i just wanted to set you straight!!!!!!!

euphoria18

Ok.. well... i think a main point is... it is not a business. It is a site... providing a service. Last i checked.. the site wasnt making money from people. I do not pay for a membership... so... if i leave... does it really "cost" the site anything? are they losing out anything? They arent.

I am sorry... i dont think that it was all that rude. He explained why he didnt care... because he is not involved with it. It is the managers on the site... and not him. All he does is... well... it lists it all there.

in the email just before the one where he says he could care less... he said

<< <i>Ultimately this decision would be made by the managers. >>



Then he said the he could care less and explained why. Sorry... i dont think it is rude. If it was a manager... like JSA saying it... then maybe it would be different. However... he isnt a manager... he explained what he does on tr... so whats the fuss over it?

baberuthfan2002

Ok....well, you guys may not see it as a businesss, but anything that provides service to people is a business......u don't get anything from ebay, but yet they have their *site* for you to use to sell, buy, browse, whatever the case may be.......Traders Retreat is a service the same way CU is a service because it is a place where you sign up and join to talk to others about things you like, don't like, gripes, complaints...there is even an area where you can let people know you are selling things.....so yes, it is a service.....and if they didn't care whether or not people joined, why would they start the service in the first place? Hmmmmm??????

So, SoDoMoJo.....Let me set you straight.....even though you don't get anything....it is a service and the people should care how they treat their future *site* people....is that better? Is it better that I call it a site for you guys or can I still call it a service?

euphoria18

Actually... from the start... i have called it a service... that they are offering a service... i said it is not a business. The difference between ebay and cu or tr.... ebay makes money. By you being there... you are purchasing items from sellers. the sellers pay fees when placing items up and then a final value fee. Thats the main difference.... ebay is making a profit. To my knowledge... tr and cu arent making a profit. Cu is sponsered... but.. i do not believe that they make a profit.

SoDoMoJo

Baberuth:
Actually to set you straight once again Ebay would be considered a SERVICE because as a seller you PAY a fee to sell your goods so therefore it is making money........TR on the other hand doesn't collect fees for ANY of there options on their site so it cannot be considered a SERVICE.I do agree that the better you treat people the better it is for your site.

SoDoMoJo

ok wait!!!!!!!! lol TR would be considered a service BUT NOT A BUSINESS!!!!!

baberuthfan2002

Ok....well, this will be my last post of the night.....as for you guys who claim that these sites aren't business because they don't make a profit.....that's not true.......you don't necessarily have to make money to be a business........the red cross is a charity of types and it is a business......and like my husband says....ebay is a business, yes,....but if you only buy on ebay....they don't charge you a dime, but yet you still do business on their site, right? so, therefore, even though these sites..CU and TR don't charge for you to use their site....they are still a business....if you claim businesses are only those who make a profit...you need to read up on what a business is.....so there is your set straight again......cardinal boy......good night to those who do and don't know the basics of a business.....


Baberuthfan2002

biggjc

to answer so an so's question of why we keep Eric(MPower) on staff, the answer is pretty simple because contrary to what a few believe he is exceptional at what he does



Unless I'm missing something aren't the words Exceptional At What He/She Does ment for someone that does the work to find something out ............

That would mean email a person ask question's and find out what has happened on any matter.


Not to im someone and say QUOTE Don't Shoot The Messenger get with the person that made the complaint.....And to find out that a complaint wasn't made with the Great Board Patrolman that is good at his/her job. Just email mail or im someone to Get very little information then make a post about someone ........

And then not to list someone as a Bad Seller when they don't send all item's agreed apond for a sale ......HHmmm That works for me



Very Professionally Done !!!!!!!!!!! Great Job I must agree



PS: CAN YOU SAY BULL $HIT

euphoria18

Actually.. the Red Cross and similar organizations arent businesses.. they are charties. And Ebay... even though you just buy on it... they charge the seller the fees... so... they still make money. The basics of a business are "to make a profit"

Dodgamatic

Nicely said Euphoria. As a TR member, I was more than happy to provide the information requested. I have made many great trades online, and met some great people, BUT I have been ripped off on a couple of occations. Those "bad traders" have made me very weary about making trades online, even though the positive trades out-weigh the bad, ten-fold. I waited I think 5 days to be accepted to TR, and if it takes 5 days to get accepted to a site where I know I won't get the shaft, Believe me I have no problem with it. TR provides a great service to the collector. I am very impressed with the new site, and customer service. I guess it all comes down to communication. If you jump to conclusions and fly off the handle without asking the question "Do you want MY address, or people I have dealt with?", than expect confrontation. Just some food for thought, no offense to be taken.

Thanks,

Mike

boggs301012

Euphoria...?

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boggs301012

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One that buys goods or services.
Informal. An individual with whom one must deal

euphoria18

Well.. thank you for the dictionary meaning behind it...lol. However... i had said the basics of a business... not the meaning of a business. TR provides a service. Either way... at this point the discussion is pointless as i am not going to argue about the basics and objectives of a business...lol.

Happy trading :-)

euphoria18

and thank you for that definition as well... and the highlited part.


<< <i>One that buys goods or services. >>



Key word... buy...lol

boggs301012

I can lead you to water but I cant make you drink. Happing trading at that Business...Non profit organization that provides a service...no...............? Cult? no ....? That place you go to ...no you dont actualy go there ........... My point is you can play on words all you want but it is a Business you are a customer BY the dictionary standards....just not your standards.

boggs301012

An individual with whom one must deal Did you read that part? Are you reading every other line? Just the ones that you like.

Johnsauc

Euphoria,Dodgmatic & SoDoMoJo-Appreciate the posts in defense of TR but at this point just let it go, You can't please everyone,that's a fact of life,some people are combative by nature,some just look for the dark cloud rather than the silver lining. At this point I rather let TR's on-site performance speak for itself, It's one of the few sites that lets it members do product reviews & keep their pulls,numerous monthly & daily card/pack giveaways, & remains the only site(to my knowledge) that reimburses a trader in the event of a bad deal. If your a member please continue to enjoy the site & future events, if your not a member who wishes to be ,feel free to apply. If your not a member & wish not to be then more power to you. But this horse is now dead.

vittleboy

John it was all ready low on the boards it whould have been easyer to just let it stay down there no bring it to the top.

*Im Just messing with ya dont take it as something bad*