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Do graders consider past grades on cracked coins?
dval2929
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So - say you have a coin and the cracked slab, and you want it back in its old holder. I understand this is not a reholder and must be regraded. My question is, is there any way to say "Here is the old holder, here is the old TrueView, feel free make sure nothing has changed with the coin" with the assumption it gets placed in the old grade?
Or, is that not possible, and it gets a totally fresh look from the grading team as a raw coin with no attention paid to the pervious grade? This is assuming turning back into the same company that graded it initially. Thank you!
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No, once it's out all bets are off.
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Anything can happen to the surfaces when a coin is removed from a slab. It goes in as a raw coin and gets a new grading data point.
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What's the coin and grade?Maybe we can help you determine if it will grade the same or better/lower than it is now.
Can you post some images?
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Even if “we” could perform such feats from viewing images, if the coin’s already been cracked out, it wouldn’t make any difference.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
They used to. Back over 25 years ago a dealer tried to upgrade a rare coin that was in a PCGS slab for me to NGC which body bagged it. Then sent it back to PCGS with the prior tab and they reholdered it at the same grade. I had a silver eagle in a year where it mattered in a 70 grade that I bought from a shop in an NGC "separated" slab claiming that it was the original coin with the 70 tab without looking closely enough at it. I sent it back to NGC and they plainly told me it wasn't a 70. They were right. It's possible someone there might be willing to look at it but given all the other orders these days I highly doubt it.
The coin should/would get a fresh look as a raw submission. However, I’ve heard of instances in which the submitter includes the grading label (and sometimes images) for the cracked-out coin. I have no idea how often the labels actually end up accompanying the coins to the grading room. But I wouldn’t be surprised if, on occasion, the graders see and at least consider them in assigning grades.
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We do it all the time with GTG.
I dont like to contradict you @MFeld because you are a superb numismatist and I respect you but I think it would be interesting to see the coin and see if the final outcome is close to our opinions.
We dont even know what the coin is yet. Inquiring minds want to know.
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Thank you.
I think it might be interesting, too. But my point was, that if a coin is already cracked out and is going to be submitted for grading, forum member grading opinions aren’t going to be able to help the person decide whether to submit the coin - that’s already a forgone conclusion.
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I see where you coming from. So much going on in this thread its hard to keep track.
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Cracked from NGC AU-55 and landed in PCGS-53. I thought I had a good shot at PCGS 55, but was wrong.
If I re-submit to NGC I think I’ll include the old holder NGC 55 holder and images just in case they consider them. Seems like little downside to that, at least
@dval2929 is that PVC on the reverse wing?
I also see a green dot behind the eagles backside in the field.
I would rather have a PCGS 53 than a NGC 55. Theres no price difference really. What your spending on grading fees is going to put you in the hole.
Thats just my opinion FWIW.
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I've looked at that wing very closely under a loupe and I am quite sure it's just alloy - similar to the grey alloy flecks in the field. I don't see any green on the coin as far as I can tell. Was straight graded by both PCGS and NGC.
Thanks for the feedback!
Also - and you may have already known this - it's an "O" so each grade difference can represent a couple thousand. Your point could very well still stand of PCGS 52 = NGC 55 but just pointing out it's a key date which could change things.
A coin graded by PCGS is always going to be more desirable. Just my opinion. Im not trying to be crude, I am trying to help you out.
If it were me I would keep the 53 and spend the money going for a CAC sticker rather than going to NGC.
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You are racking up some pretty high grading costs on that coin
I had a straight grade icg $20 that took three attempts at pcgs to straight grade. First two attempts body bagged for different reasons 😂
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