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1909-S VDB cent - what makes it fake? (or is it actually genuine?!)


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www.TallahasseeCoinClub.com

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 40,141 ✭✭✭✭✭

    counterfeit!

    no period between D and B

    i'd check the mm position, but there is an easier tell than the period and mm position:
    the deep N in united. compare to a genuine svdb and you'll see the N there is shallow

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    Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Added mintmark? I think the mintmark is the wrong style.

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    robecrobec Posts: 7,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The N in UNITED on the reverse is the deep cut, should be the shallow.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,205 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @robec said:
    The N in UNITED on the reverse is the deep cut, should be the shallow.

    The S mintmark looks off, also.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    RedRocketRedRocket Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Counterfeit or altered?

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    if its altered its counterfeit (round about way)

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    Thanks very much. As a collective, you all nailed the exact same concerns I had. I will let the owner know that this example should be counterfeit until proven otherwise (i.e. by a TPG or knowledgeable dealer).

    Official PCGS account of:

    www.TallahasseeCoinClub.com

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    MJPHELANMJPHELAN Posts: 820 ✭✭✭

    Not a known mint mark position.

    Mark
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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,324 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    counterfeit!

    no period between D and B

    i'd check the mm position, but there is an easier tell than the period and mm position:
    the deep N in united. compare to a genuine svdb and you'll see the N there is shallow

    The mm position seen in the OP coin is unknown for 1909-S and 1909-S V.D.B. Lincoln cent. There is really no need to look at the reverse. The piece is a fake, and a poor one at that.

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    JDarkJDark Posts: 84 ✭✭✭

    I did check for a "whispering VDB".

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2, 2026 10:55AM

    Harsche does note in Detecting Altered Coins that it is well-known that some V.D.B.s as seen on authentic 1909-S V.D.B. cents are very faint, "whispering," if you will.

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