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Fivaz-Stanton (FS) Numbers vs. Non FS Numbers On Slabs

USSID18USSID18 Posts: 186 ✭✭✭

Why wouldn't the FS number be on both of these holders? Must the FS number be requested on the PCGS submission form? Would one of these coins hold more value then the other?

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The PCGS coin numbers 147883 and 506153 both refer to the 2000-P Sacagawea Dollar "Wounded Eagle" variety (FS-901), but they identify different aspects of the coin for cataloging purposes.147883 (Variety PCGS#): This number specifically identifies the "Wounded Eagle" variety, which features a die gouge piercing the lower portion of the eagle's breast.506153 (Base PCGS#): This number represents the base coin variety, or the parent issue for this specific Wounded Eagle variety.

    Agreed. If they both refer to the wounded eagle.

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  • MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The FS-901 designation makes it a "die variety".


    Link: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2000-p-sac-1-wounded-eagle/506153

    If you want it on the PCGS label, you have to 'add-on' the "variety attribution" service when you submit. It costs an extra $20.00/coin.
    Reference: https://www.pcgs.com/varietyfaq

  • USSID18USSID18 Posts: 186 ✭✭✭

    @privatecoin said:
    The PCGS coin numbers 147883 and 506153 both refer to the 2000-P Sacagawea Dollar "Wounded Eagle" variety (FS-901), but they identify different aspects of the coin for cataloging purposes.147883 (Variety PCGS#): This number specifically identifies the "Wounded Eagle" variety, which features a die gouge piercing the lower portion of the eagle's breast.506153 (Base PCGS#): This number represents the base coin variety, or the parent issue for this specific Wounded Eagle variety.

    Agreed. If they both refer to the wounded eagle.

    They identify different aspects? What are those different aspects? Don't they both feature the die gouge piercing the lower portion of the eagle's breast?

    What is a base coin variety, or the parent issue?

    Plus, which of these coins would hold a premium and why?

    I'm still confused.

  • USSID18USSID18 Posts: 186 ✭✭✭

    @MetroD said:
    The FS-901 designation makes it a "die variety".


    Link: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2000-p-sac-1-wounded-eagle/506153

    If you want it on the PCGS label, you have to 'add-on' the "variety attribution" service when you submit. It costs an extra $20.00/coin.
    Reference: https://www.pcgs.com/varietyfaq

    So it's about the bottom-line.

  • MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @USSID18 said:

    @MetroD said:
    The FS-901 designation makes it a "die variety".


    Link: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2000-p-sac-1-wounded-eagle/506153

    If you want it on the PCGS label, you have to 'add-on' the "variety attribution" service when you submit. It costs an extra $20.00/coin.
    Reference: https://www.pcgs.com/varietyfaq

    So it's about the bottom-line.

    SAC $1 are NOT what I collect. Notwithstanding, per @privatecoin (upthread), this particular coin has two PCGS numbers (i.e., the 'base/"major variety"', and the "die variety").

    As to the difference between the "base" and "variety", in other cases, the "variety" represents a physical difference in the coin (e.g., VAM numbers for Morgan and Peace dollars). So, in these other cases, the extra cost to confirm and subsequently attribute the difference is justified, at least in my mind. Extra money for extra work.

    Not sure why this particular coin appears to have two PCGS numbers. If I was forced to SPECULATE, I would GUESS it was attributable to a time lag between discovery and 'FS number assignment/cherrypickers recognition'.

    Hopefully, someone with some historical info will chime in, and provide some clarity.

    Interesting topic. Thanks for posting about it. :)

  • USSID18USSID18 Posts: 186 ✭✭✭

    Thank you gents! 👍

  • ShurkeShurke Posts: 752 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PCGS will automatically attribute Redbook varieties like the 1955 DDO cent or the 1942/1 dime (just to name the first two examples that popped into my head).

    Those varieties are also listed in the Cherrypickers’ Guide. So if you want the FS attribution, you can pay the non-Redbook-variety-fee to have it added to the label.

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