I have wondered if TPG’s would consider a 2x2 holder option. The grade could go around the edge for larger coins, and in the open space on the back for smaller ones. The holder would be sealed, of course. And it could still be 1/4“ thick. These would then fit 50 or so to a small 2x2 box. The space savings should benefit everyone. I might even leave them encapsulated!
I prefer coins in an album where I feel like they belong and I have no problem cracking them out especially if beaned. Apparently I put a lot of faith in the grading knowing at some point they may go back.
This all started when I had numerous Kennedys fall short at MS66. They look amazing in an album, enough so that I pulled one out and sent it back and it popped to a 67. There is no option for CAC so no gold beans to lose there.
Now, it has grown into an obsession for higher grades and I can’t even hardly look at a slab anymore. The problem with most albums is they always have second rate coins that the collector knew would not grade high enough.
So my current project is to fill a type set album with previously graded coins. And I keep the inserts (even though I don’t use true view anymore) to prove the coin. And if I ever decide to sell it, the right buyer will know what he is looking at and will pay up if he wants it bad enough.
I like both. Some coins I prefer graded such as key dates, really nice mint state coins and pedigree coins. At the same time I like raw coins. Old Spanish cobs &/or reales, old yet original U.S. gold and silver, gold nuggets, and ancients are fun when you can hold them raw in your hand.
@scubafuel said:
I think it depends very much on the makeup of the collection.
1. For my VF collection of bust quarters, I'd be happy with them raw. Better pics, can see the edge, better presentation together etc.
2. For a collection of red MS65 indian cents, raw would be a nightmare. I'd never be able to handle them without constant fear of fingerprints.
3. Ditto a collection of high grade bust half dimes. The smaller the coin, the nicer slabs are to have.
Funny you say that. I sold my Central American Republic 1/4 Reales because the tiny coins looked ridiculous in the NGC prong holders. But I like the way my Cal Gold looks in PCGS holders, so it can go either way. (And to answer the obvious question, I didn’t put my 1/4 reales in pcgs holders because the rest of the CAR collection is in NGC holders, and mixing holders drives me bonkers.)
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
@MrEureka said:
Forget for the moment the advantages and disadvantages of slabs. That ground has been covered.
Now, imagine all of your slabbed coins raw. Either in 2X2’s of some sort, or in an old or new coin cabinet, or in albums. Again, forgetting the advantages and disadvantages of slabs. Just for the moment, would you ENJOY your coins more, less or the same?
FWIW, I’m not trying to stir the pot. Just thinking about the possibilities for next generation certification and storage systems, and wondering if anyone else would care.
The vast majority of my collection is not certified anyhow. But for my coins that are certified, I likely would enjoy them slightly less, and not for any reasons at all pertaining to "grade". Rather, I have purposefully accumulated a stash of old holdered coins and enjoy most of them for that reason. (For others, specific attributions or pedigrees are what I bought the certification aspect for.)
@Ronsanderson said:
I have wondered if TPG’s would consider a 2x2 holder option. The grade could go around the edge for larger coins, and in the open space on the back for smaller ones. The holder would be sealed, of course. And it could still be 1/4“ thick. These would then fit 50 or so to a small 2x2 box. The space savings should benefit everyone. I might even leave them encapsulated!
The Intercept Shield 2x2 holder product get easily scuffed up from residing in a 2x2 box, from rubbing against each other. I tried placing 2x2 mylar flips in-between the IS holders and that too has appeared not to be working either. Fortunately, the scuffyness is removeable with Slab Renew and now the 2x2 IS holders reside in another product of sleaves intended for baseball cards. It's nice to view a coin in a crystal-clear holder than a foggy one. On another upside, to cut down on all the polishing, I have found myself selecting only the very best of coins before I'll spend time doing so. What a great way to sort my coins all-over again, right? lol The mylar flips can get scuffed up as well. Capital Plastics make a great 2x2 holder that I have used extensively for housing coins and mailing out VEDS high condition and valued coins!
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
I've been meaning to follow up on my original comment on the 1st page. I am biased because I'm in the business of making albums and prefer coins raw for that reason.
However, a classic Proof in high grade should be in a slab, as should any Unc+ pre-WW2 rarities. I've only once recommended a coin go to auction and that was a German Mark in exceptionally high grade with no established market.
Key date coins in circulated grades, in my opinion, are still just album quality coins. Get them authenticated, trueviewed, etc for that eventual resell, but don't entomb them in plastic.
Custom album maker and numismatic photographer.
Need a personalized album made? Design it on the website below and I'll build it for you. https://www.donahuenumismatics.com/.
@The_Dinosaur_Man said:
I've been meaning to follow up on my original comment on the 1st page. I am biased because I'm in the business of making albums and prefer coins raw for that reason.
However, a classic Proof in high grade should be in a slab, as should any Unc+ pre-WW2 rarities. I've only once recommended a coin go to auction and that was a German Mark in exceptionally high grade with no established market.
Key date coins in circulated grades, in my opinion, are still just album quality coins. Get them authenticated, trueviewed, etc for that eventual resell, but don't entomb them in plastic.
Will they TV coins without entombing them in plastic and ultimately not assigning a grade? I one time fancied having my coins encapsulated with only the word "GENUINE" on the label (if it could have been done, never pursued it), let the buyer decide what the coin grades. They can decide whatever it grades from their very own individual experiences. lol Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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I have wondered if TPG’s would consider a 2x2 holder option. The grade could go around the edge for larger coins, and in the open space on the back for smaller ones. The holder would be sealed, of course. And it could still be 1/4“ thick. These would then fit 50 or so to a small 2x2 box. The space savings should benefit everyone. I might even leave them encapsulated!
I prefer coins in an album where I feel like they belong and I have no problem cracking them out especially if beaned. Apparently I put a lot of faith in the grading knowing at some point they may go back.
This all started when I had numerous Kennedys fall short at MS66. They look amazing in an album, enough so that I pulled one out and sent it back and it popped to a 67. There is no option for CAC so no gold beans to lose there.
Now, it has grown into an obsession for higher grades and I can’t even hardly look at a slab anymore. The problem with most albums is they always have second rate coins that the collector knew would not grade high enough.
So my current project is to fill a type set album with previously graded coins. And I keep the inserts (even though I don’t use true view anymore) to prove the coin. And if I ever decide to sell it, the right buyer will know what he is looking at and will pay up if he wants it bad enough.
This one is currently in the Morgan spot.
And will soon be upgraded to this one.
I like both. Some coins I prefer graded such as key dates, really nice mint state coins and pedigree coins. At the same time I like raw coins. Old Spanish cobs &/or reales, old yet original U.S. gold and silver, gold nuggets, and ancients are fun when you can hold them raw in your hand.
Funny you say that. I sold my Central American Republic 1/4 Reales because the tiny coins looked ridiculous in the NGC prong holders. But I like the way my Cal Gold looks in PCGS holders, so it can go either way. (And to answer the obvious question, I didn’t put my 1/4 reales in pcgs holders because the rest of the CAR collection is in NGC holders, and mixing holders drives me bonkers.)
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
The vast majority of my collection is not certified anyhow. But for my coins that are certified, I likely would enjoy them slightly less, and not for any reasons at all pertaining to "grade". Rather, I have purposefully accumulated a stash of old holdered coins and enjoy most of them for that reason. (For others, specific attributions or pedigrees are what I bought the certification aspect for.)
Official PCGS account of:
www.TallahasseeCoinClub.com
The Intercept Shield 2x2 holder product get easily scuffed up from residing in a 2x2 box, from rubbing against each other. I tried placing 2x2 mylar flips in-between the IS holders and that too has appeared not to be working either. Fortunately, the scuffyness is removeable with Slab Renew and now the 2x2 IS holders reside in another product of sleaves intended for baseball cards. It's nice to view a coin in a crystal-clear holder than a foggy one. On another upside, to cut down on all the polishing, I have found myself selecting only the very best of coins before I'll spend time doing so. What a great way to sort my coins all-over again, right? lol The mylar flips can get scuffed up as well. Capital Plastics make a great 2x2 holder that I have used extensively for housing coins and mailing out VEDS high condition and valued coins!
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
I've been meaning to follow up on my original comment on the 1st page. I am biased because I'm in the business of making albums and prefer coins raw for that reason.
However, a classic Proof in high grade should be in a slab, as should any Unc+ pre-WW2 rarities. I've only once recommended a coin go to auction and that was a German Mark in exceptionally high grade with no established market.
Key date coins in circulated grades, in my opinion, are still just album quality coins. Get them authenticated, trueviewed, etc for that eventual resell, but don't entomb them in plastic.
Custom album maker and numismatic photographer.
Need a personalized album made? Design it on the website below and I'll build it for you.
https://www.donahuenumismatics.com/.
Will they TV coins without entombing them in plastic and ultimately not assigning a grade? I one time fancied having my coins encapsulated with only the word "GENUINE" on the label (if it could have been done, never pursued it), let the buyer decide what the coin grades. They can decide whatever it grades from their very own individual experiences. lol Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection