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Good pic of shelf doubling

lsicalsica Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭✭

Really good example of plain old shelf/machine doubling from my own modest accumulation

1957 Roosevelt Dime NGC MS-66+

Pic by @messydesk

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    OneyOney Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great example!

    Brian
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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 11,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Although your picture shows Die Deterioration Doubling. The die wears towards the rim from the radial flow of the metal during the strike.

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    lsicalsica Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:
    Although your picture shows Die Deterioration Doubling. The die wears towards the rim from the radial flow of the metal during the strike.

    I actually had to look that term up. :) OK in the pics Im seeing online examples of die deterioration doubling look like "ghost images" and machine doubling seems to have more of the shelf-look in the images above. Is the difference just often not that clear?

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 11,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lsica said:

    " OK in the pics Im seeing online examples of die deterioration doubling look like "ghost images" and machine doubling seems to have more of the shelf-look in the images above. Is the difference just often not that clear?"
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    I'm not sure what you mean.........

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    lsicalsica Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:

    @lsica said:

    " OK in the pics Im seeing online examples of die deterioration doubling look like "ghost images" and machine doubling seems to have more of the shelf-look in the images above. Is the difference just often not that clear?"
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    I'm not sure what you mean.........

    Sorry..doesn't die deterioration doubling look more like a ghost image around the lettering? My image looks to me like its more "defined", like a shelf, which I thought indicated machine doubling?

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This would be machine doubling:

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    Die deterioration doubling follows from the die wearing, and that is why the doubling is mixed with die flow lines, especially at the tops of the letters.

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 11,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sometimes it looks "Ghost like" - other times it is more advanced and looks like MD. Rule of thumb is, if it is "reaching" towards the rim it's die deterioration instead of a machine "bounce" creating Mechanical Doubling. It takes time to learn the subtle differences but really there is nothing wrong with the mistaking between the two - neither one is an error or has a premium - they are just part of the coin striking process.

    "Memento mori !"

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