@BStrauss3 said:
Just for scale, there are "1,927,871 results" in the US Coins of the Coins and Paper Money category. There is no way a single individual can review even 10k listings per day. Of necessity, the bulk of the review is going to be done by automated tools.
It will be a full-time job just to review those coins that are reported to be fakes or otherwise fraudulent.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Why doesn't eBay charge for listing with a refund if sold? A small amount, .25cents, .50 cent or more for higher value listings. Wouldn't that stop a lot of the counterfeits or bogus listings (like parking lot errors, In COD we trust, etc. . . .)
@Russell12 said:
Why doesn't eBay charge for listing with a refund if sold?
Because eBay wants to encourage people to list things for sale, not discourage them. Essentially, what your suggestion results in is getting eBay to try to keep people from listing things for sale that you don't want to see.
@Russell12 said:
Why doesn't eBay charge for listing with a refund if sold?
Because eBay wants to encourage people to list things for sale, not discourage them. Essentially, what your suggestion results in is getting eBay to try to keep people from listing things for sale that you don't want to see.
Exactly. I have over 1500 listings and have had add many as 3500. I don't expect them all to sell this week or even this year. It's my retail shop.
If they charged me per listing, I would eliminate 90% of those listings and close one of my 2 accounts. And that would benefit whom? Not me and not the person who recently bought a $2 postcard that had been available. Maybe ebay, who would need less server space, but they also wouldn't have collected my store fees for the last 10 years on my second account.
Everyone thinks they know better than ebay. Yet, 30 years later, ebay still has Boi competitor in the retail space in sick they operate.
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@jmlanzaf said:
And that would benefit whom? Not me and not the person who recently bought a $2 postcard that had been available.
Not me, either. Keeping with the topic of this thread, I certainly don't see any reason to oppose the listing of counterfeits as long as honest sellers aren't punished in the effort..
@jmlanzaf said:
And that would benefit whom? Not me and not the person who recently bought a $2 postcard that had been available.
Not me, either. Keeping with the topic of this thread, I certainly don't see any reason to oppose the listing of counterfeits as long as honest sellers aren't punished in the effort..
Well, counterfeits are a little different. They are illegal to sell, after all, at least for US coins.
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Contemporary counterfeits are collectible. If they were properly described and sold by knowledgeable sellers to knowledgeable collectors, it would be -- in a perfect world -- fine.
When they are sold to novice collectors deceptively, it's bad.
Given fleaBay's inability to differentiate... the "no counterfeits" rule would be easier to administrate.
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The issue to me is their "Coin Policy" doesn't differentiate between "good" and "bad" counterfeits so all are subject to removal. Even replicas marked "COPY" are against eBay policy and can be removed when reported. Unfortunately bad coins sold on the Bay can be resold as good ones to the unknowing later...
Had a fellow enter the shop recently. Proud of the score on silver eagles for $19 each. He could not help himself so he bought 12… such a great deal on eBay. The seller has sold hundreds of them , only they’re counterfeit …and yet, legitimate according to eBay.
Buyer beware….wherever you are. I get to see the damage done to some hard (headed) working guys…. who keep scouring eBay and other venues looking for “steals”. Oh, and they’re listed under bullion and U.S. coins
@burfle23 said:
The issue to me is their "Coin Policy" doesn't differentiate between "good" and "bad" counterfeits so all are subject to removal. Even replicas marked "COPY" are against eBay policy and can be removed when reported. Unfortunately bad coins sold on the Bay can be resold as good ones to the unknowing later...
i've tried to get copy coins and plated "bullion" removed but no go. if there is a workgroup in ebay similar to the old coin community watch group i'd think it would be a miracle.
My prediction is that there will be much hair-splitting over what constitutes a 'fake.' For an outright fake, think 16-D Merc with a glued on MM or a "1706" dated trade dollar, this would be pretty straight forward. But what if I (willingly) want to look on Ebay for non-regal halfpennies. That's a fake too, right? Or Norfed dollars, I mean the Government said those were fake. There is no official mintage record for a 1913 Liberty nickel so I guess that make it a....you get the point
I reported a blatantly counterfeit coin listing yesterday and received the following note in reply:
<<<Hello XXXXXX
Thanks again for reporting the problematic content you found.
What happened:
We looked into your report and removed the content. It may take up to 24 hours for it to reflect on the site. This determination was made using automation or artificial intelligence.
We let the content uploader know about this decision and the action taken. They may have the option to fix the content to make it visible again on site. They can also appeal our decision, and we'll review the case again and may reverse the original decision and action taken.
If you reported content that isn’t included in the below reference ID, we’ll send a separate email once we’ve made a decision.
Your reference ID: 2-103388xxxxx
Here are the listings you reported that have been removed:
Item: 358270945070 Exceptionally rare--1927-S Standing Liberty Quarter Avidly Pursued Choice
Thank you for being part of the eBay community.
Thanks,
eBay>>>
Mission Accomplished on this listing. Many more to go but a good start, I hope.
@CaptHenway said:
Years ago I offered to Judith to be a consultant on counterfeit and altered coins. I never heard back from anybody, then she left, and everything went to Hell.
Why don't you apply for the job?
I'm too old now. I help out where I can here and there, but could not do it on a full time basis.
I'm not too old even though I'm older than you. Would you recommend me to be on their counterfeit detection team? I won't work for free but don't need benefits, just a paycheck.
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“My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.”
@CaptHenway said:
Years ago I offered to Judith to be a consultant on counterfeit and altered coins. I never heard back from anybody, then she left, and everything went to Hell.
Why don't you apply for the job?
I'm too old now. I help out where I can here and there, but could not do it on a full time basis.
I'm not too old even though I'm older than you. Would you recommend me to be on their counterfeit detection team? I won't work for free but don't need benefits, just a paycheck.
Email me your resume and I will see if I can get them to look at it.
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@CaptHenway said:
Years ago I offered to Judith to be a consultant on counterfeit and altered coins. I never heard back from anybody, then she left, and everything went to Hell.
Why don't you apply for the job?
I'm too old now. I help out where I can here and there, but could not do it on a full time basis.
I'm not too old even though I'm older than you. Would you recommend me to be on their counterfeit detection team? I won't work for free but don't need benefits, just a paycheck.
Email me your resume and I will see if I can get them to look at it.
I'm confident he does not have a resume that would impress anyone, but I will add my two cents, just to save everyone a little time:
mr1931S lacks the qualifications for any position involving counterfeit detection. Remember the whole "whispering VDB" debacle? That was him...
On numerous occasions, he has expressed the sentiment that buyers of counterfeits deserve what they get for not being educated enough. So, in addition to not having the knowledge or the eye for detecting counterfeits, he also lacks the correct attitude.
@CaptHenway said:
Years ago I offered to Judith to be a consultant on counterfeit and altered coins. I never heard back from anybody, then she left, and everything went to Hell.
Why don't you apply for the job?
I'm too old now. I help out where I can here and there, but could not do it on a full time basis.
I'm not too old even though I'm older than you. Would you recommend me to be on their counterfeit detection team? I won't work for free but don't need benefits, just a paycheck.
No
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@CaptHenway said:
Years ago I offered to Judith to be a consultant on counterfeit and altered coins. I never heard back from anybody, then she left, and everything went to Hell.
Why don't you apply for the job?
I'm too old now. I help out where I can here and there, but could not do it on a full time basis.
I'm not too old even though I'm older than you. Would you recommend me to be on their counterfeit detection team? I won't work for free but don't need benefits, just a paycheck.
Email me your resume and I will see if I can get them to look at it.
I'm confident he does not have a resume that would impress anyone, but I will add my two cents, just to save everyone a little time:
mr1931S lacks the qualifications for any position involving counterfeit detection. Remember the whole "whispering VDB" debacle? That was him...
On numerous occasions, he has expressed the sentiment that buyers of counterfeits deserve what they get for not being educated enough. So, in addition to not having the knowledge or the eye for detecting counterfeits, he also lacks the correct attitude.
And he's taking about his business partner.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Comments
It will be a full-time job just to review those coins that are reported to be fakes or otherwise fraudulent.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Why doesn't eBay charge for listing with a refund if sold? A small amount, .25cents, .50 cent or more for higher value listings. Wouldn't that stop a lot of the counterfeits or bogus listings (like parking lot errors, In COD we trust, etc. . . .)
Because eBay wants to encourage people to list things for sale, not discourage them. Essentially, what your suggestion results in is getting eBay to try to keep people from listing things for sale that you don't want to see.
Ebay is sad on stuff
Exactly. I have over 1500 listings and have had add many as 3500. I don't expect them all to sell this week or even this year. It's my retail shop.
If they charged me per listing, I would eliminate 90% of those listings and close one of my 2 accounts. And that would benefit whom? Not me and not the person who recently bought a $2 postcard that had been available. Maybe ebay, who would need less server space, but they also wouldn't have collected my store fees for the last 10 years on my second account.
Everyone thinks they know better than ebay. Yet, 30 years later, ebay still has Boi competitor in the retail space in sick they operate.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Not me, either. Keeping with the topic of this thread, I certainly don't see any reason to oppose the listing of counterfeits as long as honest sellers aren't punished in the effort..
Well, counterfeits are a little different. They are illegal to sell, after all, at least for US coins.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Contemporary counterfeits are collectible. If they were properly described and sold by knowledgeable sellers to knowledgeable collectors, it would be -- in a perfect world -- fine.
When they are sold to novice collectors deceptively, it's bad.
Given fleaBay's inability to differentiate... the "no counterfeits" rule would be easier to administrate.
ANA 50+ year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Author: 3rd Edition of the SampleSlabs book, https://sampleslabs.info/
The issue to me is their "Coin Policy" doesn't differentiate between "good" and "bad" counterfeits so all are subject to removal. Even replicas marked "COPY" are against eBay policy and can be removed when reported. Unfortunately bad coins sold on the Bay can be resold as good ones to the unknowing later...
Had a fellow enter the shop recently. Proud of the score on silver eagles for $19 each. He could not help himself so he bought 12… such a great deal on eBay. The seller has sold hundreds of them , only they’re counterfeit …and yet, legitimate according to eBay.
Buyer beware….wherever you are. I get to see the damage done to some hard (headed) working guys…. who keep scouring eBay and other venues looking for “steals”. Oh, and they’re listed under bullion and U.S. coins
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
i've tried to get copy coins and plated "bullion" removed but no go. if there is a workgroup in ebay similar to the old coin community watch group i'd think it would be a miracle.
My prediction is that there will be much hair-splitting over what constitutes a 'fake.' For an outright fake, think 16-D Merc with a glued on MM or a "1706" dated trade dollar, this would be pretty straight forward. But what if I (willingly) want to look on Ebay for non-regal halfpennies. That's a fake too, right? Or Norfed dollars, I mean the Government said those were fake. There is no official mintage record for a 1913 Liberty nickel so I guess that make it a....you get the point
www.brunkauctions.com
I reported a blatantly counterfeit coin listing yesterday and received the following note in reply:
<<<Hello XXXXXX
Thanks again for reporting the problematic content you found.
What happened:
We looked into your report and removed the content. It may take up to 24 hours for it to reflect on the site. This determination was made using automation or artificial intelligence.
We let the content uploader know about this decision and the action taken. They may have the option to fix the content to make it visible again on site. They can also appeal our decision, and we'll review the case again and may reverse the original decision and action taken.
If you reported content that isn’t included in the below reference ID, we’ll send a separate email once we’ve made a decision.
Your reference ID: 2-103388xxxxx
Here are the listings you reported that have been removed:
Item: 358270945070 Exceptionally rare--1927-S Standing Liberty Quarter Avidly Pursued Choice
Thank you for being part of the eBay community.
Thanks,
eBay>>>
Mission Accomplished on this listing. Many more to go but a good start, I hope.
I'm not too old even though I'm older than you. Would you recommend me to be on their counterfeit detection team? I won't work for free but don't need benefits, just a paycheck.
Einstein’s view of God was non-traditional and pantheistic, focusing on the harmony, order, and intelligibility of the cosmos rather than a personal deity. His quotes reveal a profound respect for the universe’s mysteries, a belief in rational laws, and a moral philosophy grounded in compassion and understanding, bridging science and spirituality.
“My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.”
Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)
Email me your resume and I will see if I can get them to look at it.
I'm confident he does not have a resume that would impress anyone, but I will add my two cents, just to save everyone a little time:
mr1931S lacks the qualifications for any position involving counterfeit detection. Remember the whole "whispering VDB" debacle? That was him...
On numerous occasions, he has expressed the sentiment that buyers of counterfeits deserve what they get for not being educated enough. So, in addition to not having the knowledge or the eye for detecting counterfeits, he also lacks the correct attitude.
No
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
And he's taking about his business partner.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
"What sounds too good to be true usually is"
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