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NEWP: 1944 Henning Nickel - GTG ICG Submission Results Received & Revealed

oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 14, 2026 7:47AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I finally pulled the trigger on a Henning Nickel. This one is a little better condition/grade than I have seen. I will send it to ICG for encapsulation, so I don't get it mixed up with others.



With the hole in the R and die crack.

Edit: I just received notice of the grade from ICG.

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  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2026 12:39PM

    Nice one. ICG actually puts a grade on these.

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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice. XF45

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 31,388 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ambro51 said:
    Nice. XF45

    Considering they came off the dies with around VF detail, your grade is probably technically correct, but I have never seen an IGC graded example higher than Fine.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 17,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    This is a true mint-state Henning (pictured below). It has full undisturbed mint luster over the entire surfaces. The edge slide marks (from punching the blanks) are totally undisturbed. As struck, they are quite mushy and grainy.





    I have one just a little rub away from this condition. How would ICG grade yours, I wonder? It's MS but would they recognize that? 🤔

  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    how much do these run?

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  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oreville said:
    how much do these run?

    Multiple hundreds of dollars even for well-circulated examples. There are many listed on eBay at any time. Currently 5 for sale, 17 in the sold listings.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2026 6:18AM

    @ambro51 said:
    Start checking prices on the 1939 and 1953. Serious money. Frances would be proud

    Do the 39 and 53 Henning's share the same "looped R" reverse? There appears to be at least two reverse dies for 44, one with the looped R and one without ( @dcarr ) Examples of both are in this thread. Apparently there were 12 dies (6 OBV and 6 REV) over the dates produced.

    Lots of good info out there.

    https://www.error-ref.com/henning-counterfeit-nickel/

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1953-henning-nickel-confirmed-and-new-die-marker.406062/

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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 29,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jonathanb said:

    @oreville said:
    how much do these run?

    Multiple hundreds of dollars even for well-circulated examples. There are many listed on eBay at any time. Currently 5 for sale, 17 in the sold listings.

    I found one in circulation back in the '50's and just recently found one in a roll of war nickels.

    They're still out there and still suffering high attrition.

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,978 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @dcarr said:

    I have one just a little rub away from this condition. How would ICG grade yours, I wonder? It's MS but would they recognize that? 🤔

    .

    I haven't ever submitted mine (and I don't plan on doing so), but I would grade it MS64.

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I finally got it weighed.

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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In theory coinstar should send these to the reject tray…..

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I received notice of the grade from ICG. Let's play GTG!

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did ICG straight grade it as a no P genuine nickel?

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    Did ICG straight grade it as a no P genuine nickel?

    They note it as counterfeit on their insert. I would grade the OPs coin Fine-12, though if you could grade these on a curve, it's probably got XF wear. The nicest example fresh off the dies likely would grade no higher than VF.

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  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 13, 2026 12:05PM

    Fascinating thread thank you for posting this. I have a picture of what I think is a henning nickel, but can you guys verify weight is 5 grams


  • JBKJBK Posts: 17,262 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 13, 2026 2:46PM

    Looks OK (as a Henning) to me.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,899 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF20 details is my guess

  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coin Finder said:
    Fascinating thread thank you for posting this. I have a picture of what I think is a henning nickel, but can you guys verify weight is 5 grams

    One of the diagnostics of a Henning nickel is that it's heavy. Should be closer to 5.5 grams.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 13, 2026 1:42PM

    @Coin Finder said:
    Fascinating thread thank you for posting this. I have a picture of what I think is a henning nickel, but can you guys verify weight is 5 grams


    Three of the known to me reverse die markers are not there; loop in the R, die crack from the dome to the top, and misshapen O in OF. I have been wrong before.

    The missing P is obvious.

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  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What does the missing P indicate then??

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 13, 2026 7:56PM

    @Coin Finder said:
    What does the missing P indicate then??

    It may be a fake counterfeit? An actual weight would be needed to see if it is within tolerance of a Henning.

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok, it's been 24 hours...ICG gave him a MS-15. I would have thought higher, but, what do I know?

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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 6,298 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What is ms15?

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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That coin is high XF-AU by Henning Standards.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 14, 2026 10:50AM

    @cheezhed said:
    What is ms15?

    MS for Mint State (regular circulation) strike versus PR for Proof strike

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  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cheezhed said:
    What is ms15?

    I have seen another case where someone mentioned the ICG grade email shows MS (or PR) and then the number but the actual holder will show the actual "F 15" as anticipated.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Apparently ICG will grade anything. I don’t get how a grading and authentication service thinks it appropriate to grade and certify counterfeit coins.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 17,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A "genuine" Henning is worth in the neighborhood of $300. People want to know their fake is a real fake. :p

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    Apparently ICG will grade anything. I don’t get how a grading and authentication service thinks it appropriate to grade and certify counterfeit coins.

    They properly label it as a counterfeit so it is actually a valuable learning tool.

    Here is an example on eBay:

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    A "genuine" Henning is worth in the neighborhood of $300. People want to know their fake is a real fake. :p

    Apparently more based on these two recent sales:

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1939 Hennings are more rare than the "common" 1944.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 17,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oih82w8 said:
    1939 Hennings are more rare than the "common" 1944.

    I don't disagree, but it might actually be the case that known 1939 (or other date) Henning nickels are more rare than 1944. The 1944 is far easier to identify, so it is more commonly identified.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a good sized container of pre-60 Nickels that I should go through to see if any Henning's have gone in undetected.

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  • nencoinnencoin Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭✭

    @ambro51 said:
    Start checking prices on the 1939 and 1953. Serious money. Frances would be proud

    Without the height chart next to him, I would have guessed him to be a rather tall person, not someone of just average height.

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 3,909 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In my family he is tall!! 😂😂

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  • GivaudanGivaudan Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Maywood said:
    In my family he is tall!! 😂😂

    With your family tree he is also brilliant and attractive!!!

  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ……. …..if only he had realized 1944 nickels had a big P on them, he may very well have been successful in his efforts. Still, coin for coin, he has created the rarest and most valuable coins in the 88 year history of the Jeff nickel.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 11,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ambro51 said:
    ……. …..if only he had realized 1944 nickels had a big P on them, he may very well have been successful in his efforts. Still, coin for coin, he has created the rarest and most valuable coins in the 88 year history of the Jeff nickel.

    And an interesting tale for the ages.

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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Instead of a full step designation they should designate these as full wheelchair ramp.

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  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any one sending a counterfeit to ICG to have holdered, ask them to put the weight on the label. Sometimes they do automatically and sometimes they don't. To be sure they do, just ask and they will.

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe next time. I have not seen an ICG label with the weight on it, but that would have been nice to know...a couple of months ago.

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