Are any refiners buying silver again?

DisneyFan

Please post names and locations of those who are buying.

softparade

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MaineJim

It looks like Midwest Refineries is taking 90% with no minimum. Anyone here have any recent experience with them?

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Jim

DisneyFan

@MaineJim said:
It looks like Midwest Refineries is taking 90% with no minimum. Anyone here have any recent experience with them?

Jim

"4418 Florida National Dr., Lakeland, FL. 33813

For security reasons, we are not open for walk in traffic.
All precious metals must be shipped to us."

Custerlost

Most wholesalers and refiners seem to be on a 30-60 day pay. Major problem for mom and pop stores. Split on junk, with some taking, most not, and pitiful discounts. .9999 being taken at large discounts.

blitzdude

@Custerlost said:
Most wholesalers and refiners seem to be on a 30-60 day pay. Major problem for mom and pop stores. Split on junk, with some taking, most not, and pitiful discounts. .9999 being taken at large discounts.

Yup I stopped by one of my go to shops yesterday to unload some fresh tubes and there was a sign on the door stating they were temporarily closed due to liquidity problems. He was getting lots of traffic but the problem is it was damn near 10 to 1 sellers to buyers. He can buy all day long but if the refiners arent taking it or if they are taking 1-2 months to get paid you can't do business for very long. RGDS!

Bayard1908

I personally find it alarming and disgusting that the default destination of 90% is a refiner. I don't like seeing our cultural heritage destroyed. I saw a video recently of some creepy dealers pointlessly melting Mercury dimes and was enraged.

If these pathetic dealers can't place 90% with customers who want to keep it, I hope collectors will protect enough 90% that future collectors can have circulated sets of 1892 to 1964 coins.

blitzdude

@Bayard1908 said:
I personally find it alarming and disgusting that the default destination of 90% is a refiner. I don't like seeing our cultural heritage destroyed. I saw a video recently of some creepy dealers pointlessly melting Mercury dimes and was enraged.

If these pathetic dealers can't place 90% with customers who want to keep it, I hope collectors will protect enough 90% that future collectors can have circulated sets of 1892 to 1964 coins.

I see what you are saying and I agree mostly..... but the problem is there is nobody for the dealers to sell to. Retail for 90% is non-existent. Even the refiners are so backed up that even many of them are not accepting it. Many dealers aren't even considering it, those that are well back of melt.

oldglorycoins

@Bayard1908 said:
I personally find it alarming and disgusting that the default destination of 90% is a refiner. I don't like seeing our cultural heritage destroyed. I saw a video recently of some creepy dealers pointlessly melting Mercury dimes and was enraged.

If these pathetic dealers can't place 90% with customers who want to keep it, I hope collectors will protect enough 90% that future collectors can have circulated sets of 1892 to 1964 coins.

Do you know how this industry works?

Bayard1908

@oldglorycoins said:

@Bayard1908 said:
I personally find it alarming and disgusting that the default destination of 90% is a refiner. I don't like seeing our cultural heritage destroyed. I saw a video recently of some creepy dealers pointlessly melting Mercury dimes and was enraged.

If these pathetic dealers can't place 90% with customers who want to keep it, I hope collectors will protect enough 90% that future collectors can have circulated sets of 1892 to 1964 coins.

Do you know how this industry works?

I wouldn't call a bunch of under capitalized store front dealers an industry. Apparently they are nothing more than middlemen for a refinery.

taxmad

@Bayard1908 said:

@oldglorycoins said:

@Bayard1908 said:
I personally find it alarming and disgusting that the default destination of 90% is a refiner. I don't like seeing our cultural heritage destroyed. I saw a video recently of some creepy dealers pointlessly melting Mercury dimes and was enraged.

If these pathetic dealers can't place 90% with customers who want to keep it, I hope collectors will protect enough 90% that future collectors can have circulated sets of 1892 to 1964 coins.

Do you know how this industry works?

I wouldn't call a bunch of under capitalized store front dealers an industry. Apparently they are nothing more than middlemen for a refinery.

Clearly the need exists, so open up your checkbook and start buying 90%. You can make a fortune once the market normalizes - and save millions of pre-64 US coins from the smelter.

softparade

@Bayard1908 said:
I personally find it alarming and disgusting that the default destination of 90% is a refiner. I don't like seeing our cultural heritage destroyed. I saw a video recently of some creepy dealers pointlessly melting Mercury dimes and was enraged.

If these pathetic dealers can't place 90% with customers who want to keep it, I hope collectors will protect enough 90% that future collectors can have circulated sets of 1892 to 1964 coins.

Just be happy that our country is near 3rd world in smelting and refining. If we had China’s capability there wouldn’t be much 90% constitutional left at all.

Bayard1908

@taxmad said:
Clearly the need exists, so open up your checkbook and start buying 90%. You can make a fortune once the market normalizes - and save millions of pre-64 US coins from the smelter.

Included among my most recent purchases of 90% were two rolls of mint Walkers. They were put together rolls of 1941, 42, and 43. I will never let those go to a stupid refiner.

Overdate

@Bayard1908 said:
If these pathetic dealers can't place 90% with customers who want to keep it, I hope collectors will protect enough 90% that future collectors can have circulated sets of 1892 to 1964 coins.

But will future collectors want such sets, and will the average collector even be able to afford them? The price of silver is already so high that there is little daylight between the circulated and uncirculated price of sets of Franklin halves and 1946-1964 Roosevelt dimes. A circulated set of Walkers is over $2000 in melt value alone.

If the price of silver doubles as many expect, affordability of sets of circulated 90% will decline much further, and the transition to type coin status will be nearly complete. Collectors on limited budgets, if they choose to collect sets at all, will likely favor the more affordable sets of recent clad and minor coins.

At least one shop is offering to sell 90% silver to retail customers at around 10% below melt. If insufficient retail demand exists even with that discount, dealers are not to blame.

softparade

@Overdate said:

@Bayard1908 said:
If these pathetic dealers can't place 90% with customers who want to keep it, I hope collectors will protect enough 90% that future collectors can have circulated sets of 1892 to 1964 coins.

But will future collectors want such sets, and will the average collector even be able to afford them? The price of silver is already so high that there is little daylight between the circulated and uncirculated price of sets of Franklin halves and 1946-1964 Roosevelt dimes. A circulated set of Walkers is over $2000 in melt value alone.

If the price of silver doubles as many expect, affordability of sets of circulated 90% will decline much further, and the transition to type coin status will be nearly complete. Collectors on limited budgets, if they choose to collect sets at all, will likely favor the more affordable sets of recent clad and minor coins.

At least one shop is offering to sell 90% silver to retail customers at around 10% below melt. If insufficient retail demand exists even with that discount, dealers are not to blame.

That's why I stack the fugliest of 90%.... constitutional only of course. All the same to me. Except slicks, don't and won't do those.