PCI Grading

Raptor48

Does anywone have any experience how well PCI white slab coins cross over to PCGS grading? I am looking at a PCI MS61 and would still be happy if it crossed over at AU55 or better.

MFeld

Regardless of anyone’s personal experiences, it depends on the coin. If you want meaningful feedback, you should post good pictures of your coin.

RedRocket

Why cross?
Crack and submit.

cheezhed

I don’t think PCGS crosses PCI, it has to be cracked out and submitted raw.

johnny9434

Buy the coin and the rest will take care of it self

coinbuf

PCI has had many ownership changes over its history. As such the grading has been reasonably good to wildly overgraded. By white slab I'm assuming you mean this.

But within this holder there are two different types with one often considered in general accurately graded and one thought to be less so accurate. So it really depends on the coin, and as was already mentioned I do not think that PCGS takes PCI for crossover but I don't do crossovers so perhaps that has changed.

If you really want opinions you need to post the coin itself for opinions not opinions of the holder brand.

Cougar1978

I haven’t had a PCI coin in ages. If for some reason acquired one would crack it out submit to our hosts.

ELVIS1

@coinbuf said:
PCI has had many ownership changes over its history. As such the grading has been reasonably good to wildly overgraded. By white slab I'm assuming you mean this.

But within this holder there are two different types with one often considered in general accurately graded and one thought to be less so accurate. So it really depends on the coin, and as was already mentioned I do not think that PCGS takes PCI for crossover but I don't do crossovers so perhaps that has changed.

If you really want opinions you need to post the coin itself for opinions not opinions of the holder brand.

That font is the later slab after they were bought.
I copied and posted this from a different thread.

gtstang

Here's a peace and a morgan in the old pci holder. I would say they are both solid for the grade listed on the label.
I wouldn't trust the grade on newer blue label pci slabs.

ldhair

PCGS won't cross these but they will crack and grade them as raw. I sent a large amount of these to PCGS and had great results but @MFeld is correct, it depends on the coin.

BStrauss3

@coinbuf said:
PCI has had many ownership changes over its history. As such the grading has been reasonably good to wildly overgraded. By white slab I'm assuming you mean this.

But within this holder there are two different types with one often considered in general accurately graded and one thought to be less so accurate. So it really depends on the coin, and as was already mentioned I do not think that PCGS takes PCI for crossover but I don't do crossovers so perhaps that has changed.

If you really want opinions you need to post the coin itself for opinions not opinions of the holder brand.

Four... two older, the retro, and the outright fraudulent Dellauniversitia ownership (FPG masquerading as a TPG).

coinsarefun

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And nickels by Ron Landis,so the holder mtch

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coinbuf

@BStrauss3 said:
Four... two older, the retro, and the outright fraudulent Dellauniversitia ownership (FPG masquerading as a TPG).

I don't consider the retro or the FPG ownership as legitimate, so only two as far as I am concerned. No different than I do not consider the PCGS retro doily a doily.

Rampage

As long as you buy the coin and not the holder, then you really cannot go wrong. If you simply buy holders and labels, then at some point, you will lose out on something

ProofCollection

The coin will speak for itself. As others have said some are graded accurately and some are overgraded. You might note that PCGS's stats currently show a 40% success rate for NGC, ANACS, and CACG crossovers. I would expect PCI to generally be lower.

Steven59

I would say this is one grade too high...........But I still like it . My only PCI slabbed coin........

BStrauss3

@coinbuf said:

@BStrauss3 said:
Four... two older, the retro, and the outright fraudulent Dellauniversitia ownership (FPG masquerading as a TPG).

I don't consider the retro or the FPG ownership as legitimate, so only two as far as I am concerned. No different than I do not consider the PCGS retro doily a doily.

So you cut off after the Gold Box era?

BTW, current ownership is selling juiced Morgans on fleaBay. Around 100k coins. They appear to be owned (at least the domain registrations trace back to the same address) as a questionable auction house, notorious for selling off-brand holders quoting PCGS price guide as "comps".

lkenefic

If you have a cellphone and a steady hand, you can take reasonable images of your coins... that should be enough to get feedback.

As others have already said, PCI slabbed coins aren't accepted at PCGS, but you can crack the coin and submit it raw... that's the only way I'm aware of.

seatedlib3991

Coins can be sent to Great Collections for auction and they will do the deed of cracking and getting reslabbed for you. james

Cougar1978

You can’t make overall assumptions on something like that. Just send them in to our hosts. What ye grade 1899 above?

Many in coin club treat them as raw as the TPG accepted by ebay are CACG, PCGS, NGC, Anacs, ICG.

Larry bought about 7 PCI from this guy (walkup at show) at some pct below CDN bid to be on the safe side. Then cracked to send to our hosts.

However when PCI first came out a couple of us thought they very conservative.

coinbuf

@BStrauss3 said:
So you cut off after the Gold Box era?

No that is not what I meant, just that I only consider the two green label holders that PCI issued with the 10 and 14 digits as original PCI green labels. The nine digit green label was after PCI was sold to Leslie, and the gold after the next sale, according to the info that I have on PCI history. I of course recognize that there have been several versions of the PCI holder including the retro that you mentioned and the current stuff. I just do not consider PCI green label holders other than the 10 and 14 digit labels as original PCI green labels just as I do not consider the PCGS retro Doily as a true Doily.

ReadyFireAim

@MFeld said:
If you want meaningful feedback, you should post good pictures of your coin.

But I can't grade from pictures.

TallahasseeCoinClub

Going on recollection, during their "conservative" period, only one grader was working for PCI and I used to see him often at shows in the midwest. I own several very old PCI green-label slabbed coins that he confirmed grading, and treasure them.

slimbert

@cheezhed @ldhair @lkenefic PCGS DOES accept PCI for Crossover, as they accept basically any TPG for Crossover.

"Submit your pre-graded and sealed coins from a third party service such as NGC, ANACS, ICG or other for PCGS Crossover" (emphasis added by me).

https://pcgs.com/crossover

Here is a video showing PCI, along with even more obscure or less accepted TPGs, being sent for Crossover (I believe at the "ANY grade" level):

https://youtube.com/watch?v=e5tSAVg0qFg

lkenefic

I guess they've added in ICG and "others" since I was playing the crackout game... best of luck!

logger7

A local indoor flea market dealer had a bunch of "green" PCI label slabs, all were a grade or more overgraded. "Gold" holder coins were when they were also too loose.

RedRocket

@ldhair said:
PCGS won't cross these but they will crack and grade them as raw. I sent a large amount of these to PCGS and had great results but @MFeld is correct, it depends on the coin.

A wild assumption, but I'd guess MFeld isn't alone in that observation.

ldhair

It's smart for PCGS to do this. It will bring them more business.

BStrauss3

@coinbuf said:
... and the gold after the next sale, according to the info that I have on PCI history.

Brian Beardsley.

Part of the problem was a lack of succession planning, and after his death, the operation nearly ran into the ground.