NFL MVP discussion
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Who do you think will win, Stafford or Maye?
I am a homer and like Maye, but I see that Stafford was voted All-Pro 1 quarterback. Does that show that voters are looking at him as MVP?
those 46 touchdowns are a high barrier to surpass for Maye.
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Toss up for sure. Can't go wrong either way.
But I think Stafford might get it...a nudge from the aspect of the 'lifetime achievement' to go along with his outstanding year to put him over the top.
The edge Maye has in rating and stuff like that are small. The Yards and TD lead Stafford has is pretty big, especially in TD. Those stick out more.
Maye had a great year but Stafford has the statistics to warrant the selection in my opinion.
yeah, you guys are probably right. wishful thinking on my part. I think the 46 TD's are too much to overcome.
Hopefully Maye will have his day next season!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Puka Nakua. Darkhorse candidate not likely to win, but seems that dude is most valuable as a player to his team as anyone in the league.
Stafford should win it
I think itll be Stafford. Aside from the legacy stuff dudes a stud. I could make a strong argument for Maye turning the Pats around but I dont think itd matter and itll be Stafford
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Myles Garrett did what no other player has. His problem is that he isn’t a QB which in today’s NFL renders him ineligible for the award.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The Browns didn't win enough games for that to be in the equation, Garrett broke a record but without him his team still would have been awful, there isn't "Value" in that
That's the way I see it, but for sure a DE will probably never win it over a QB
I can't get on the Stafford bandwagon. In Detroit he was perennial whiner who thought every incompletion he threw deserved a PI call. One thing he has done consistently throughout his career --- throw Pick 6's. It seems like every time I see a Rams game he's done that. I remember watching a regular season night game where he threw two of them. He'll make the HOF but any QB who hangs around as long as him has a pretty good shot at that. In Detroit he was just terrible. In LA he has been better.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
can a coach receive a vote? what Kyle Shanahan has pulled off is the stuff of legend. the Niners' out/injured reserve list is a mile long and they've been without many of their best players all season. Bosa, Warner and Aiyuk to name a few. add Kittle to that list. Purdy didn't play half the games. Trent Williams missed week 18 and didn't play against the Eagles. on and on and on. yet they are still breathing.
no one has done more with less
They will succumb to the 12th Man. No doubt in my mind. It'll be close, but Seattle will prevail with more healthy bodies. Sorry Niners fans.
The one thing I would say to this is just should it always be a QB?
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They need to do Offensive MVP and Defensive MVP
I mean it's stupid that they don't, Page and Taylor are the only ones to ever win it from the defense and that was long before offensive player stats were video game stats so it's getting harder by the year
I can't stand Stafford
To Garrett and the Browns, I agree about them not winning enough to warrant a consideration. I just mentioned him because of the league wide emphasis on QB sacks, the way an OL adjusts every time Garrett lines up and what he did.
I know some will say he had an extra game, but still.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Extra game AND the QB starting going down before the actual sack(like Favre and Strahan)...imagine if it was still Gastineau's record that was broken, he would have gone insane.
this. they do have the DPOY award, but it does not have the same gravitas as MVP does. there should be, like you said, both an offensive and defensive MVP award.
it has been almost 40 years since LT won it and he was the GOAT defender. did so much more than just sack the QB
no other defensive player will ever win it again as the award currently stands.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I like him a lot better now that the Vikings don't play him twice a year!
I think that the way the game is played today a QB sack is more difficult than it was 40-50 years ago. It used to be virtually every snap was taken directly under center which required a QB to drop back 3-4 steps, begin his field view and pass the ball. Offenses are more complicated today but more simplified for the QB. He starts back and set to pass, much better able to read the defense and see the pressure coming his way. Not to take anything away from LT but he was better positioned to "do more" than just sack the QB, so it's hard to compare him with Garrett. One guy is starting in a 3-4 point stance at the LOS while the other is standing upright in the middle of the field. Both men had/have one thing in common --- they were/are very disruptive and demand that the offense account for where they are or pay dearly for that oversight.
Lawrence Taylor provides for an interesting question: When I think of LT in the modern day I go right to Micah Parsons, so I wonder how LT would be used today if he was just coming into the NFL?? He was so quick that I could see him playing LB/Edge and being even more disruptive than he was in his playing days. A modern QB would worry when he was taking a snap with LT at the edge!!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Id take that further. They should do what baseball does with the NL and AL MVP and CY Young. They should have an AFC and NFC offensive and defensive MVP. Just having one has always been pretty dumb.
Stafford and Maye had great years for sure so not to take anything away from them, but its gotten kind of old that the NFL is even worse than the Heisman and its just which QB are we picking with a RB mixed in every now and then. No matter what they do the majority of positions have no chance especially on defense
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