Deleted all my sets

tradedollarnut

Waited over a month for CAC coins to be added to the CAC only set and got a message that they were already in the slot - but they aren’t. Anyway, I’m over it. Pfffft

MsMorrisine

over a software issue?

coinbuf

I'm sure all the second place set owners are happy.

Walkerfan

Granted, I understand your frustration, but I wouldn’t quit the registry over something like that. I’m sure it will eventually get resolved. The registry is far too beneficial for me to do something like that. My problem is that I have a lot of NGC coins, so I am far more active at NGC & CAC, because of their impartiality. Although, I still participate over here, it is on a limited basis for obvious reasons. Edit to add: My Franklin and Morgan sets are PCGS, exclusively, so I do participate more actively in those.

jmlanzaf

@Walkerfan said:
Granted, I understand your frustration, but I wouldn’t quit the registry over something like that. I’m sure it will eventually get resolved. The registry is far too beneficial for me to do something like that. My problem is that I have a lot of NGC coins, so I am far more active at NGC & CAC, because of their impartiality. Although, I still participate over here, it is on a limited basis for obvious reasons.

While I understand that you may enjoy it, what's "beneficial"?

tradedollarnut

Not worth the frustration to wait another month for what I already waited a month for to happen. Life’s too short for customer service like that

pcgscacgold

I like the registry set over at CAC. I don’t have coins good enough to win but the winners received ASE’s with special labels noting their accomplishment.

RedRocket

Deleting registry sets equates to yelling at the clouds in an empty field.

tradedollarnut

@sanddollar said:
Deleting registry sets equates to yelling at the clouds in an empty field.

Not really. By removing the source of aggravation, I remove the aggravation itself. Nommmmmmmmmmmmm

Zoins

Will you host your photos somewhere else, like setting up in your personal website again?

tradedollarnut

No.

davewesen

@tradedollarnut said:
Not worth the frustration to wait another month for what I already waited a month for to happen. Life’s too short for customer service like that

buy the company and make it better -

Coin Finder

Ya I here ya, I have had lots of problems with the registry also..

RedRocket

@tradedollarnut said:

@sanddollar said:
Deleting registry sets equates to yelling at the clouds in an empty field.

Not really. By removing the source of aggravation, I remove the aggravation itself. Nommmmmmmmmmmmm

Yet, even after doing so, you still seem aggravated.

tradedollarnut

Ah - but much less aggravated and subsiding rapidly

Connecticoin

Do you have any of your sets on the CAC registry?

Walkerfan

@jmlanzaf said:

@Walkerfan said:
Granted, I understand your frustration, but I wouldn’t quit the registry over something like that. I’m sure it will eventually get resolved. The registry is far too beneficial for me to do something like that. My problem is that I have a lot of NGC coins, so I am far more active at NGC & CAC, because of their impartiality. Although, I still participate over here, it is on a limited basis for obvious reasons.

While I understand that you may enjoy it, what's "beneficial"?

I shouldn’t have to explain this to you…

-Record keeping
-Photo hosting
-Competition
-Sharing
-Education

For someone with nearly 40,000 posts, you never have much good to say or add about the hobby and industry.

ChrisH821

I don't think the registry automatically updates which coins are CAC anymore. Seems like it did for a short time when "sticker" column was first added to inventory but hasn't worked since. This isn't a field we can manually change so I'm not sure what they expect.

cameonut2011

The sets are yours, and you can obviously do whatever you please with them. Full on deletion seems drastic for a transient software glitch, and deleting them in protest and making a post about it seems melodramatic.

scubafuel

@cameonut2011 said:
The sets are yours, and you can obviously do whatever you please with them. Full on deletion seems drastic for a transient software glitch, and deleting them in protest and making a post about it seems melodramatic.

I disagree. It seems like another attempt to get through to them (they do read this board) and show the risk they run by not performing maintenance or CS on one of their coin Crown Jewels (the registry)

cameonut2011

@scubafuel said:

@cameonut2011 said:
The sets are yours, and you can obviously do whatever you please with them. Full on deletion seems drastic for a transient software glitch, and deleting them in protest and making a post about it seems melodramatic.

I disagree. It seems like another attempt to get through to them (they do read this board) and show the risk they run by not performing maintenance or CS on one of their coin Crown Jewels (the registry)

Then why not post a thread asking if others are having issues and drawing attention to the issue? Instead it comes off like a kid taking his ball and going home in a bout of anger. I’ll concede that I may be looking at it the wrong way, but it just strikes me as excessive.

I do agree that the registry is one of PCGS’s Crown Jewels. The loss of TDN’s sets is a loss for collectors. However, I’m not sure that one participant’s departure will change anyone’s mind. It would take large droves of collectors leaving, and even then, until a demonstrable effect becomes apparent to PCGS’s/CU’s revenue, it will likely be written off as background noise. It’s unfortunate, but the corporate world only cares about money. Since his set deletion didn’t cost them any appreciable sum of money, I doubt that they will care.

P.S. I do hope PCGS adopts your interpretation rather than mine.

TallahasseeCoinClub

My mother-in-law deleted all here teeth and got dentures. She feels a lot better about her appearance, now.

TwoSides2aCoin

If at first you don’t succeed… find good things hidden in your closet, bro

jmlanzaf

@Walkerfan said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Walkerfan said:
Granted, I understand your frustration, but I wouldn’t quit the registry over something like that. I’m sure it will eventually get resolved. The registry is far too beneficial for me to do something like that. My problem is that I have a lot of NGC coins, so I am far more active at NGC & CAC, because of their impartiality. Although, I still participate over here, it is on a limited basis for obvious reasons.

While I understand that you may enjoy it, what's "beneficial"?

I shouldn’t have to explain this to you…

-Record keeping
-Photo hosting
-Competition
-Sharing
-Education

For someone with nearly 40,000 posts, you never have much good to say or add about the hobby and industry.

Because I asked a question? I've long said that the registry was the most brilliant marketing strategy in the history of coins.

Thanks for the answer and the personal commentary.

mr1931S

@jmlanzaf said:

@Walkerfan said:
Granted, I understand your frustration, but I wouldn’t quit the registry over something like that. I’m sure it will eventually get resolved. The registry is far too beneficial for me to do something like that. My problem is that I have a lot of NGC coins, so I am far more active at NGC & CAC, because of their impartiality. Although, I still participate over here, it is on a limited basis for obvious reasons.

While I understand that you may enjoy it, what's "beneficial"?

Explain that it's a rhetorical question you have asked and free yourself of derision and scorn. Give a definition of "rhetorical" if derision/scorn persists.

PapiNE

I deleted mine too. And I may add them again at a later date. Freedom rules....

ELVIS1

I've done NGC... Things happened..
Did PCGS... Things happened...
I swore I wouldn't do CAC but I joined last week and I'm going to give them a shot now...

1tommy

Congrats. I am surprised you made it this long as it has now been 3 years since I have sent in one coin and I feel so much better. The next step is to shut down all my sets but like others have said they are not going to care. The registry has just gone to ....... I have now moved all my stuff to cac and the my collect site and thinking my next submission will go to CAC...Good luck

Coinscratch

In retaliation I would list all of my coins in an Ebay .99 cent auction.
That'll get em.

BryceM

A few years back when NGC and PCGS started tit-for-tatting, I deleted my sets too. The hobby was more fun after that. What an actual relief it was.

Someone else's definition of "a set" is too contrived anyhow. It's much more enjoyable to collect just for fun.

cameonut2011

@BryceM said:
A few years back when NGC and PCGS started tit-for-tatting, I deleted my sets too. The hobby was more fun after that. What an actual relief it was.

Someone else's definition of "a set" is too contrived anyhow. It's much more enjoyable to collect just for fun.

I like the way you think.

tradedollarnut

The Set Registry isn’t even following its own rules - Hansen’s sets are still listed and the coins aren’t in Pcgs holders anymore.

Coinscratch

Let us know when they go live.

cameonut2011

@tradedollarnut said:
The Set Registry isn’t even following its own rules - Hansen’s sets are still listed and the coins aren’t in Pcgs holders anymore.

Did he cross them to CACG?

tradedollarnut

Yes.

Tom147

@tradedollarnut said:
The Set Registry isn’t even following its own rules - Hansen’s sets are still listed and the coins aren’t in Pcgs holders anymore.

Nor are they following their rule regarding " delete a sold coin when requested. " " If one fails to do so, their registry set will be removed. " Hasn't happened.

ChrisH821

@cameonut2011 said:

@tradedollarnut said:
The Set Registry isn’t even following its own rules - Hansen’s sets are still listed and the coins aren’t in Pcgs holders anymore.

Did he cross them to CACG?

@tradedollarnut said:
Yes.

So the biggest player isn't turning in old certs? say it isn't so!
I'll admit I have one coin in a registry set that is now in a CACG holder, it was accidentally crossed, I swear!

cameonut2011

@tradedollarnut said:
Yes.

That isn’t really fair although I understand the business decision to leave them.

jmlanzaf

@ChrisH821 said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@tradedollarnut said:
The Set Registry isn’t even following its own rules - Hansen’s sets are still listed and the coins aren’t in Pcgs holders anymore.

Did he cross them to CACG?

@tradedollarnut said:
Yes.

So the biggest player isn't turning in old certs? say it isn't so!
I'll admit I have one coin in a registry set that is now in a CACG holder, it was accidentally crossed, I swear!

We don't know that. It's also possible that PCGS is just keeping them alive for marketing purposes. His crossing was very public.

ProofCollection

Did you wait a day for the set composite to update?

Barberian

@cameonut2011 said:

@scubafuel said:

@cameonut2011 said:
The sets are yours, and you can obviously do whatever you please with them. Full on deletion seems drastic for a transient software glitch, and deleting them in protest and making a post about it seems melodramatic.

I disagree. It seems like another attempt to get through to them (they do read this board) and show the risk they run by not performing maintenance or CS on one of their coin Crown Jewels (the registry)

Then why not post a thread asking if others are having issues and drawing attention to the issue? Instead it comes off like a kid taking his ball and going home in a bout of anger. I’ll concede that I may be looking at it the wrong way, but it just strikes me as excessive.

I do agree that the registry is one of PCGS’s Crown Jewels. The loss of TDN’s sets is a loss for collectors. However, I’m not sure that one participant’s departure will change anyone’s mind. It would take large droves of collectors leaving, and even then, until a demonstrable effect becomes apparent to PCGS’s/CU’s revenue, it will likely be written off as background noise. It’s unfortunate, but the corporate world only cares about money. Since his set deletion didn’t cost them any appreciable sum of money, I doubt that they will care.

P.S. I do hope PCGS adopts your interpretation rather than mine.

Have you submitted coins to PCGS the last three years? It's been almost constant aggravation and disappointment, with absolutely ridiculous customer service that reminds me of a SNL comedy skit. I'm glad TDN did this and is posting here about it. Unfortunately, these critical threads seem to have no effect in stopping the ongoing decay of PCGS.

MsMorrisine

if they crossed in the holders, perhaps cacg didn't return the labels.

now, with further info, the registry sounds a bit hosed. TVs lacking, Registry lacking, and i think ngc is gaining market share on moderns.(seeing it on ebay)

pruebas

@Barberian said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@scubafuel said:

@cameonut2011 said:
The sets are yours, and you can obviously do whatever you please with them. Full on deletion seems drastic for a transient software glitch, and deleting them in protest and making a post about it seems melodramatic.

I disagree. It seems like another attempt to get through to them (they do read this board) and show the risk they run by not performing maintenance or CS on one of their coin Crown Jewels (the registry)

Then why not post a thread asking if others are having issues and drawing attention to the issue? Instead it comes off like a kid taking his ball and going home in a bout of anger. I’ll concede that I may be looking at it the wrong way, but it just strikes me as excessive.

I do agree that the registry is one of PCGS’s Crown Jewels. The loss of TDN’s sets is a loss for collectors. However, I’m not sure that one participant’s departure will change anyone’s mind. It would take large droves of collectors leaving, and even then, until a demonstrable effect becomes apparent to PCGS’s/CU’s revenue, it will likely be written off as background noise. It’s unfortunate, but the corporate world only cares about money. Since his set deletion didn’t cost them any appreciable sum of money, I doubt that they will care.

P.S. I do hope PCGS adopts your interpretation rather than mine.

Have you submitted coins to PCGS the last three years? It's been almost constant aggravation and disappointment, with absolutely ridiculous customer service that reminds me of a SNL comedy skit. I'm glad TDN did this and is posting here about it. Unfortunately, these critical threads seem to have no effect in stopping the ongoing decay of PCGS.

P R I V A T E E Q U I T Y

Money ruins everything.

breakdown

Just a few points of clarification:
1. Mr Hansen only crossed some of his coins to CACG - a portion of most sets remain in PCGS holders. Many of these are not stickered. You can check the CAC registry to see which coins he crossed.
2. If Mr Hansen didn’t want to stay on top of many of PCGS’s registry sets, John Brush could retire the Hansen sets.

I don’t blame TDN for taking down his sets. In the end, if a participant of any level isn’t enjoying the registry, he should not worry about it. JMO.

jmlanzaf

@pruebas said:

@Barberian said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@scubafuel said:

@cameonut2011 said:
The sets are yours, and you can obviously do whatever you please with them. Full on deletion seems drastic for a transient software glitch, and deleting them in protest and making a post about it seems melodramatic.

I disagree. It seems like another attempt to get through to them (they do read this board) and show the risk they run by not performing maintenance or CS on one of their coin Crown Jewels (the registry)

Then why not post a thread asking if others are having issues and drawing attention to the issue? Instead it comes off like a kid taking his ball and going home in a bout of anger. I’ll concede that I may be looking at it the wrong way, but it just strikes me as excessive.

I do agree that the registry is one of PCGS’s Crown Jewels. The loss of TDN’s sets is a loss for collectors. However, I’m not sure that one participant’s departure will change anyone’s mind. It would take large droves of collectors leaving, and even then, until a demonstrable effect becomes apparent to PCGS’s/CU’s revenue, it will likely be written off as background noise. It’s unfortunate, but the corporate world only cares about money. Since his set deletion didn’t cost them any appreciable sum of money, I doubt that they will care.

P.S. I do hope PCGS adopts your interpretation rather than mine.

Have you submitted coins to PCGS the last three years? It's been almost constant aggravation and disappointment, with absolutely ridiculous customer service that reminds me of a SNL comedy skit. I'm glad TDN did this and is posting here about it. Unfortunately, these critical threads seem to have no effect in stopping the ongoing decay of PCGS.

P R I V A T E E Q U I T Y

Money ruins everything.

Isn't your collection money?

jmlanzaf

@MsMorrisine said:
if they crossed in the holders, perhaps cacg didn't return the labels.

now, with further info, the registry sounds a bit hosed. TVs lacking, Registry lacking, and i think ngc is gaining market share on moderns.(seeing it on ebay)

NGC has long dominated moderns and world coins. Price favors PCGS, but volume favors NGC. They've graded over a million modern commems relative to 800,000ish for PCGS. NGC has graded over 16 million silver eagles compared to less than 10 million for PCGS.

cameonut2011

@Barberian said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@scubafuel said:

@cameonut2011 said:
The sets are yours, and you can obviously do whatever you please with them. Full on deletion seems drastic for a transient software glitch, and deleting them in protest and making a post about it seems melodramatic.

I disagree. It seems like another attempt to get through to them (they do read this board) and show the risk they run by not performing maintenance or CS on one of their coin Crown Jewels (the registry)

Then why not post a thread asking if others are having issues and drawing attention to the issue? Instead it comes off like a kid taking his ball and going home in a bout of anger. I’ll concede that I may be looking at it the wrong way, but it just strikes me as excessive.

I do agree that the registry is one of PCGS’s Crown Jewels. The loss of TDN’s sets is a loss for collectors. However, I’m not sure that one participant’s departure will change anyone’s mind. It would take large droves of collectors leaving, and even then, until a demonstrable effect becomes apparent to PCGS’s/CU’s revenue, it will likely be written off as background noise. It’s unfortunate, but the corporate world only cares about money. Since his set deletion didn’t cost them any appreciable sum of money, I doubt that they will care.

P.S. I do hope PCGS adopts your interpretation rather than mine.

Have you submitted coins to PCGS the last three years? It's been almost constant aggravation and disappointment, with absolutely ridiculous customer service that reminds me of a SNL comedy skit. I'm glad TDN did this and is posting here about it. Unfortunately, these critical threads seem to have no effect in stopping the ongoing decay of PCGS.

Yes, but not in the last 18 months. I don’t see the parallel between submission delays and a single month to fix a software glitch though. If anything, your argument supports my position that PCGS won’t care about this thread as it doesn’t affect its bottom line (whereas submission delays have and the response was still slow and anemic).

cameonut2011

Duplicate post

RedRocket

I like PCGS. It is sad many of you don't.

MFeld

@sanddollar said:
I like PCGS. It is sad many of you don't.

It is sad but so are the reasons that so many collectors are currently unhappy with PCGS.

Coinscratch

I suppose I can understand your frustration as heavily committed as you are.

For me, I have no issues because I deleted my sets once I started selling everything, I quit using Trueview as now I take my own, and modern submissions are lightning quick.
My last to orders of moderns were submitted and returned within a 5 week period. Oddly though both of those subs included two other orders that included pre 1965 coins and though they submitted in the same box the latest is still sitting in the "Grading" status.
Apparently these two are separated upon arrival. But as to why the classics grading room is backed up and the modern grading room is not, I could only speculate.
Best of luck.