A cool Liberty Seated dime variety
mr1931S
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To this date, I have not been successful in finding the Fortin number for this one. I gave the coin shop $40 for it. Sent it in for grading/encapsulation without variety attribution. PCGS grades it VF 30...
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.
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If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.
That is because you do not understand or have an eye for die markers. The variety is F-121; it only took a few minutes to find.
https://www.seateddimevarieties.com/date_mintmark/1891o_121page.htm
Here's a 66 without cracks...
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.
Is it worth more than $40?
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.
a) That is clearly not the same variety
b) It very clearly has die cracks
It might have been a little easier if the online description mentioned a cud, or at least a retained cud.
okay. You the expert. I'm a beginner in understanding Seated dime varieties and knowing what to look for in identifying them. I posted the 66 Truview without even looking for die breaks. I just like the color and lofty grade of it and thought it might be of some use in identifying the cracks in my coin since I haven't memorized what the reverse of a Liberty Seated dime is supposed to look like.
You got any cool seated dime varieties to show? This is the place for them if you do.
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.
Do all 1891-O dimes have die cracks, even tiny hard to see ones?
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.
PCGS says my coin has market value of $75. Since it is an F-121,as you say, is it actually worth a bit more than $75?
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.
Your purchase price plus submission fee is about what it's worth, assuming you didn't purchase the express service.
Your MS-66 is F-113.
https://www.seateddimevarieties.com/date_mintmark/1891o_113page.htm
Gerry states in the main 1891-O page:
Gerry does not assign premiums to most of the shattered dies in his value guide.
Your MS-66 is F-113.
Not my coin but thanks for the info. It's just a lovely piece imo. Too expensive for me though. I could buy a car with the money this F-113 commands.
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.
Since the 1891-O dime has so many different cracked / shattered reverses,
the attribution guide would work faster if there was a separate page:
"Gallery of Cracked Dies",
with Gerry's "enhanced mapping" photo overlays which show the die crack patterns.
Like:
F-105
F-108
F-110a
F-113
F-114b
etc.
To be fair, my suggestion above is not quite that easy to implement,
as not all cracked dies have the "enhanced mapping" photo overlays, so more of those would need to be created
to make it complete.
In my seated half dime attribution guides,
I have similar pages of crack comparison photos, when several dies have cracks in about the same places.
In the current seated dime attribution guide structure, my process was to look at the main page 1891-O "Variety List"
for Reverse "Shattered Die", "Die Cracks" or "DCr" (there are many)
and then click on each individual F- page to see the crack pattern.
@mr1931S . To be honest with you, the certification of a coin at that grade level would probably not pay. There is a different service called VSS Variety Slabbing Service. They cost way less when it comes to having a variety identified. I pay $8 dollars for coins that are allready slabbed. I don't know the fees for non slabbed coins. Be careful though; once you start cherrypicking varieties you can become hoplessly addicted. James
From my limited experience, varieties are fun to cherry pick, but difficult to profit from, unless they’re a major variety with sufficient demand.
The specialists who pursue these minor varieties prefer to find their own.
Here's another dime that I recently sent in for grading/encapsulation. I was surprised at the "market value" given to it. I paid $50 for at the shop about a year ago. No problems for the grade with bold date and that magical 'cc' mintmark. Fortin # unknown to me but I did see some Fortin designations in the Truview library for 'cc' mint dimes pictured there.
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.
When I (re)started collecting 20+ years ago, it was large cents. I thought variety collecting was nutty. Now I'm nutty with the half dimes. I own about 840 now, By my count, I have 621 different die marriages and notable die states of seated half dimes. Among the duplicates, most are noted to be slightly different from each other. Nutty, but fun.
Collector of Liberty Seated Half Dimes, including die pairs and die states
I believe this is a F-106,
based on the Type I reverse where the left ribbon end has 2 points,
and the CC positions with first C low and second C a bit higher and close to the right ribbon.
F-106 is R3 and does not have a premium.
https://www.seateddimevarieties.com/date_mintmark/1877ccvarpage.htm
https://www.seateddimevarieties.com/date_mintmark/1877cct1_106page.htm
1875-1877-CC dimes in general are common., unlike the earlier dates 1871-1874-CC which are rare and very expensive.
Anyone here want to take a stab at what PCGS graded these two on the four coin submission using my membership vouchers?
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.
F details
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Both coins received the same designation. VF details (92-cleaned). The '77-S should have straight graded imo but I asked for professional opinions and got them. PCGS service very good. They get 4.5 stars from me. Overall, I'm satisfied with the results of this submission which was on the four vouchers that go along with my membership in the Collector's Club.
10C 1891-O PCGS VF 30, my cost $40, market value $75.
10C 1877-CC PCGS F 12, my cost $50, market value $110.
10C 1875-CC VF Details, my cost $45, my estimate of market value, $65.
10C 1877-S VF Details, my cost $45, my estimate of market value, $50.
All nice additions to my beginner set of Liberty Seated Dimes. Thanks to IkeT and yosclimber for finding the Fortin numbers for my 1891-O and 1877-CC.
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.
This 1875-CC within wreath is a middle die state of F-111a, based on the die crack through the corn, but no rim cud at 12:00 yet.
https://www.seateddimevarieties.com/date_mintmark/1875cciw_111apage.htm
Similar to the others, R3 and not thought to have a premium.
Interesting.
I see in the PCGS Price guide, the 1877-CC is valued at twice the 1876-CC (in grades VF-35 and below).
But in the Population report, they both have about 1000 graded at VF-35 and below.
In my handy 1994 Red Book, they are priced the same (so is 1875-CC).
So I wonder at what point did the circulated price guide double,
and I wonder if they really sell for that.
Probably not. Might be a pricing error?
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.