The op coin -Don’t like it - I would want a piece that is better struck. Have you tried to shop it around the bourse? Have many passed or considerably back of bid on their offers?
The image on the top right is a coin owned by Roger Burdette, I remember him showing it in these forums before he was banned. I would argue that the third coin (Center left) has a better strike than that one.
1921 Peace dollars are one of my favorite coins, I highly value a good strike on them.
@Cougar1978 said:
The op coin -Don’t like it - I would want a piece that is better struck. Have you tried to shop it around the bourse? Have many passed or considerably back of bid on their offers?
You'll be looking for a long time trying to find a better strike than that on a 1921.
@Cougar1978 said:
The op coin -Don’t like it - I would want a piece that is better struck. Have you tried to shop it around the bourse? Have many passed or considerably back of bid on their offers?
You either confused the OP’s coin with a different example or clueless about strikes for 1921 Peace dollars (or both).
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I recently bought an uncirculated cleaned example because I really liked the strike on it. Sometimes issues can be overlooked for the right reason.
I'll see if I can post a picture when I have a chance.
I would be careful with your descriptions of this coin (either here or elsewhere, especially on selling platforms), as the central strike does not come near the level of detail of any Proof that has been certified.
Strike is a funny thing. Its the most important thing to me. Weak strikes dont interest me. Also proofs are not necessarily fully struck either. I posted a buffalo nickel the other day that has a better strike than a Buffalo proof that was posted. Buyer beware I guess. BTW the Buffs were the same date. But i digress
I would be careful with your descriptions of this coin (either here or elsewhere, especially on selling platforms), as the central strike does not come near the level of detail of any Proof that has been certified.
I have no idea what ur even talking about. Well here’s another opinion you are probably not going to like. I’m not convinced that there actually is a proof 1921 peace dollar. There is a coin someone discovered like 50 years later that they “consider” a proof. Some things in this hobby are questionable for sure. You don’t have to agree.
Here’s a coin listed in a Heritage sale from 1/12/23. It’s an NGC 1921 Satin Proof PR66. This is about as good as strike gets with these. Pay particular attention to the feathers in the blue circle. It’s unusual to be able to see the distinct separation in this area.
Oh, I’ll add that coins don’t have molds, and molds aren’t used in the coining process. Bronze casts can be produced from the original plaster original sculpture.
@sanddollar said:
12345678 was a bit more creative and fun when he
Also not a he. There is a photo on my profile. 😜
Speaking of how do I delete my account here. I don’t think coin collecting is for me so there is no point in getting notifications for this forum.
No need to delete your account here.
Stop posting and in a few days you will be completely forgotten.
@MFeld said:
While the 1921 Peace dollar is known for a strike that tends to be subpar, there are many other coins with the >same issue, including dates from the Buffalo nickel, Walking Liberty half dollar and Morgan dollar series.
What causes a "weak strike" ?
Is it a die that isn't as sharp as it should be image-wise ? Is it striking pressure from the press being off ? Is it the calibration of the press (not the striking force itself) being slightly off ?
We never hear about "weak strikes" with regards to modern coins...so whatever it was that caused it in the past seems to have been cured in modern times...so what caused it in the past ?
@sanddollar said:
12345678 was a bit more creative and fun when he
Also not a he. There is a photo on my profile. 😜
You made your profile private so no one can see it.
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For me, quality of strike is a form of cherrypicking.
It pays to know what is the norm for each series date/mint when it comes to strike.
These exacting standards along with other qualities help crwate a floor of value in a hobby renowned for burying a collector financially.
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The op coin -Don’t like it - I would want a piece that is better struck. Have you tried to shop it around the bourse? Have many passed or considerably back of bid on their offers?
The image on the top right is a coin owned by Roger Burdette, I remember him showing it in these forums before he was banned. I would argue that the third coin (Center left) has a better strike than that one.
1921 Peace dollars are one of my favorite coins, I highly value a good strike on them.
Collector, occasional seller
You'll be looking for a long time trying to find a better strike than that on a 1921.
Collector, occasional seller
You either confused the OP’s coin with a different example or clueless about strikes for 1921 Peace dollars (or both).
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I recently bought an uncirculated cleaned example because I really liked the strike on it. Sometimes issues can be overlooked for the right reason.
I'll see if I can post a picture when I have a chance.
Collector, occasional seller
@Mel2526
I would be careful with your descriptions of this coin (either here or elsewhere, especially on selling platforms), as the central strike does not come near the level of detail of any Proof that has been certified.
Strike is a funny thing. Its the most important thing to me. Weak strikes dont interest me. Also proofs are not necessarily fully struck either. I posted a buffalo nickel the other day that has a better strike than a Buffalo proof that was posted. Buyer beware I guess. BTW the Buffs were the same date. But i digress
Mel, your coin is struck better than most but it is still easy to see some central strike weakness.
I'm talking about your Ebay listing.
Here’s a coin listed in a Heritage sale from 1/12/23. It’s an NGC 1921 Satin Proof PR66. This is about as good as strike gets with these. Pay particular attention to the feathers in the blue circle. It’s unusual to be able to see the distinct separation in this area.
Oh, I’ll add that coins don’t have molds, and molds aren’t used in the coining process. Bronze casts can be produced from the original plaster original sculpture.
Well, since all the reverse photos of your coin are gone now, it’s hard to say.
@BryceM
Here's the link to images. https://www.ebay.com/itm/406306837901
It's above average for MS strikes, but I wouldn't say it's exceptional. MS coins rarely are though.
The Jack Lee PR66 Satin is the most heavily disputed Proof (wrong die pair, heavy heavy reed hits). This is a better representation of the Proofs:
Mel,I am really appreciating this thread and your shared pictures. It is helping me fleash out what I read in books.
I’m done with this.
12345678 was a bit more creative and fun when he was mon1ck.
No need to delete your account here.
Stop posting and in a few days you will be completely forgotten.
What causes a "weak strike" ?
Is it a die that isn't as sharp as it should be image-wise ? Is it striking pressure from the press being off ? Is it the calibration of the press (not the striking force itself) being slightly off ?
We never hear about "weak strikes" with regards to modern coins...so whatever it was that caused it in the past seems to have been cured in modern times...so what caused it in the past ?
You made your profile private so no one can see it.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire