Certainly not a crime. At most it is some civil small claims court issue between eBay and the seller, and that assumes there is even a valid and enforceable ongoing contract between those parties. I am not sure what seller contract with eBay says, and I am a shareholder.
Who do you even call to report the violation? The mattress tag police?
@csdot said:
Certainly not a crime. At most it is some civil small claims court issue between eBay and the seller, and that assumes there is even a valid and enforceable ongoing contract between those parties. I am not sure what seller contract with eBay says, and I am a shareholder.
Who do you even call to report the violation? The mattress tag police?
"Mattress tags" are a crime.
No one said "crime" except you. We said eBay T&C violation
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@csdot said:
Certainly not a crime. At most it is some civil small claims court issue between eBay and the seller, and that assumes there is even a valid and enforceable ongoing contract between those parties. I am not sure what seller contract with eBay says, and I am a shareholder.
Who do you even call to report the violation? The mattress tag police?
"Mattress tags" are a crime.
No one said "crime" except you. We said eBay T&C violation
Obviously I am trying to inject some humor into the discussion. Apologies in advance to those who are taking all this too seriously. 😁
@csdot said:
Certainly not a crime. At most it is some civil small claims court issue between eBay and the seller, and that assumes there is even a valid and enforceable ongoing contract between those parties. I am not sure what seller contract with eBay says, and I am a shareholder.
Who do you even call to report the violation? The mattress tag police?
"Mattress tags" are a crime.
No one said "crime" except you. We said eBay T&C violation
Obviously I am trying to inject some humor into the discussion. Apologies in advance to those who are taking all this too seriously. 😁
Yes. I got the "mattress" joke.
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@PeakRarities said:
If this forum was in the UK, @jmlanzaf would have had @ManifestDestiny hauled off to the slammer long ago for producing such scandalous memes.
Lol. Not me. @ManifestDestiny (in his new iteration) and I get along just fine.
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What this seller is doing might be in bad taste, and against eBay's T&C, but I hardly consider it shady and I don't consider it a reason to report him. If someone uses PayPal, the protection for the buyer is there, same as when PayPal is how eBay payments were processed before.
The circumstances indicate to me that he does not pay the monthly fee for a store, otherwise he wouldn't have any motivation to circumvent eBay if he was offering buyers a 6% discount when the entire commission for Ebay would likely be around 9%.
With no store, he's likely at the ~13% rate so after shipping, he's offering the buyer an even split of the total fee, but remember he still has to pay PP's 3.5% processing fee. He's only saving himself a few points at most, and a 6% cut for the buyer could be substantial. This all contributes as to why I wouldn't report him, but if he only offered you 2 or 3%, or suggested using a non reversible payment method, then my spider senses would be tingling.
Yes, it only takes cursory technology skills to build a website these days.... but let's not overestimate the brilliance of the average eBay knucklehead. His motive appears to be without malice, and at least he’s willing to share the fee unlike some others that insist on the same price whether the sale is on ebay or made directly, which seems silly to me. Many offer the same type of discount for off-eBay sales (~5%), and make it VERY easy to find my website yet I still receive plenty of messages asking for my “best price”. This guy just said the quiet part out loud and put his neck out a bit.
@PeakRarities said:
What this seller is doing might be in bad taste, and against eBay's T&C, but I hardly consider it shady and I don't consider it a reason to report him. If someone uses PayPal, the protection for the buyer is there, same as when PayPal is how eBay payments were processed before.
The circumstances indicate to me that he does not pay the monthly fee for a store, otherwise he wouldn't have any motivation to circumvent eBay if he was offering buyers a 6% discount when the entire commission for Ebay would likely be around 9%.
With no store, he's likely at the ~13% rate so after shipping, he's offering the buyer an even split of the total fee, but remember he still has to pay PP's 3.5% processing fee. He's only saving himself a few points at most, and a 6% cut for the buyer could be substantial. This all contributes as to why I wouldn't report him, but if he only offered you 2 or 3%, or suggested using a non reversible payment method, then my spider senses would be tingling.
Yes, it only takes cursory technology skills to build a website these days.... but let's not overestimate the brilliance of the average eBay knucklehead. His motive appears to be without malice, and at least he’s willing to share the fee unlike some others that insist on the same price whether the sale is on ebay or made directly, which seems silly to me. Many offer the same type of discount for off-eBay sales (~5%), and make it VERY easy to find my website yet I still receive plenty of messages asking for my “best price”. This guy just said the quiet part out loud and put his neck out a bit.
I'd report him. That's not because it's "shady" or "criminal".
For the record, I have blocked buyers for asking me to do the deal off eBay. The one time someone offered to sell to me off ebay, I refused and reported them.
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Interesting thread with plenty of varied opinions.
I don’t often buy on eBay, but if it’s an auction bid only item, I simply pass unless I REALLY want the coin.
If it’s a “buy it now” item, I’ll see if I can find a dealer website and ask if they’re open for a direct purchase, and if not, no worries, I may or may not buy it off the bay.
Both parties have always seemed to be happy with that approach, and has led to significant discounts off the eBay price - I don’t see how or why listing a coin on eBay locks anyone into eBay as the only sales channel, but perhaps I’m missing something.
@GuzziSport said:
Interesting thread with plenty of varied opinions.
I don’t often buy on eBay, but if it’s an auction bid only item, I simply pass unless I REALLY want the coin.
If it’s a “buy it now” item, I’ll see if I can find a dealer website and ask if they’re open for a direct purchase, and if not, no worries, I may or may not buy it off the bay.
Both parties have always seemed to be happy with that approach, and has led to significant discounts off the eBay price - I don’t see how or why listing a coin on eBay locks anyone into eBay as the only sales channel, but perhaps I’m missing something.
Buyers and sellers are certainly likely to be happy with such outcomes. But the sellers have made use of eBay’s resources to find potential buyers that they wouldn’t find on their own. That’s why they’ve contracted to pay a fee to eBay for resulting sales.
It’s one thing for a potential buyer to see a listing and do some work to find a seller’s website or contact information. It’s something very different for a seller to do what the one did here, and (I would think) in violation of the terms he agreed to with eBay.
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@sanddollar said:
It is a crime for the seller (retailer) to remove the mattress tag, not the owner (purchaser) of the matress.
Sure scared me when I was a kid! I thought that someone came around every few months to check if you removed the tag and put you in jail if it was not there!
I'd report him. That's not because it's "shady" or "criminal".
For the record, I have blocked buyers for asking me to do the deal off eBay. The one time someone offered to sell to me off ebay, I refused and reported them.
So you have blocked more than one buyer for wanting to go outside of ebay, but only reported one buyer for the one time you were asked to go outside of ebay? Sounds like you're giving conflicting information to try to emphasize your opinion on this matter. It's easy to see what side of the fence you're on here and that's fine. To each their own. But come on, let's be honest huh?
I'd report him. That's not because it's "shady" or "criminal".
For the record, I have blocked buyers for asking me to do the deal off eBay. The one time someone offered to sell to me off ebay, I refused and reported them.
So you have blocked more than one buyer for wanting to go outside of ebay, but only reported one buyer for the one time you were asked to go outside of ebay? Sounds like you're giving conflicting information to try to emphasize your opinion on this matter. It's easy to see what side of the fence you're on here and that's fine. To each their own. But come on, let's be honest huh?
Sigh. Reading is fundamental.
I have had NUMEROUS buyer requests.
I have only ever had ONE seller request.
Your comment is incorrect on the facts. I report buyers and sellers equally. I just have more buyer requests than seller requests because I do 1000x more selling than buying.
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I'd report him. That's not because it's "shady" or "criminal".
For the record, I have blocked buyers for asking me to do the deal off eBay. The one time someone offered to sell to me off ebay, I refused and reported them.
So you have blocked more than one buyer for wanting to go outside of ebay, but only reported one buyer for the one time you were asked to go outside of ebay? Sounds like you're giving conflicting information to try to emphasize your opinion on this matter. It's easy to see what side of the fence you're on here and that's fine. To each their own. But come on, let's be honest huh?
I don't see any "conflicting information" or attempt to emphasize his opinion in reporting jiust the one seller who had offered to sell off of eBay, in voilation of eBay's terms. I'm not aware of buyers on Ebay being subject to the same terms and conditions that sellers are.
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I'd report him. That's not because it's "shady" or "criminal".
For the record, I have blocked buyers for asking me to do the deal off eBay. The one time someone offered to sell to me off ebay, I refused and reported them.
So you have blocked more than one buyer for wanting to go outside of ebay, but only reported one buyer for the one time you were asked to go outside of ebay? Sounds like you're giving conflicting information to try to emphasize your opinion on this matter. It's easy to see what side of the fence you're on here and that's fine. To each their own. But come on, let's be honest huh?
Sigh. Reading is fundamental.
I have had NUMEROUS buyer requests.
I have only ever had ONE seller request.
Your comment is incorrect on the facts. I report buyers and sellers equally. I just have more buyer requests than seller requests because I do 1000x more selling than buying.
Ah yes, I read that wrong. Sorry my friend!!
Btw, do you have a website? Lol Just jk.
@sanddollar said:
It is a crime for the seller (retailer) to remove the mattress tag, not the owner (purchaser) of the matress.
Sure scared me when I was a kid! I thought that someone came around every few months to check if you removed the tag and put you in jail if it was not there!
Well, well, well……we’ve been looking for you for quite some time…..and this forum finally will bring our hunt for you to a close. Do you still have the tag? Anything to say for yourself before we call the mattress company? 🤔🤪😂
The first thing I do if interested in an eBay coin is search the web for a website of the seller. Usually cheaper and they appreciate the saving. Any rats here want to report me?
@Manorcourtman said:
The first thing I do if interested in an eBay coin is search the web for a website of the seller. Usually cheaper and they appreciate the saving. Any rats here want to report me?
Did anyone other than you mention reporting buyers who do that (and aren't subject to the same eBay terms and conditions that sellers are)?
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@Manorcourtman said:
The first thing I do if interested in an eBay coin is search the web for a website of the seller. Usually cheaper and they appreciate the saving. Any rats here want to report me?
Did anyone other than you mention reporting buyers who do that (and aren't subject to the same eBay terms and conditions that sellers are)?
Geez, give me a break! Somebody here is thinking it!!!
@Manorcourtman said:
The first thing I do if interested in an eBay coin is search the web for a website of the seller. Usually cheaper and they appreciate the saving. Any rats here want to report me?
Did anyone other than you mention reporting buyers who do that (and aren't subject to the same eBay terms and conditions that sellers are)?
Geez, give me a break! Somebody here is thinking it!!!
Give the rest of us a break and tell us how you know that.
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With the caveat once again that this is intended to be humor:
Taking Manorcourtman’s comment one step further, it does not seem out of the realm of possibility that one or more posters here might actually champion an eBay lawsuit against a Buyer (who finds and acquires a coin from a seller’s website after seeing a coin on eBay) for an Alienation of Affections-like Tortious Interference with a Contractual Relationship claim.
@csdot said:
With the caveat once again that this is intended to be humor:
Taking Manorcourtman’s comment one step further, it does not seem out of the realm of possibility that one or more posters here might actually champion an eBay lawsuit against a Buyer (who finds and acquires a coin from a seller’s website after seeing a coin on eBay) for an Alienation of Affections-like Tortious Interference with a Contractual Relationship claim.
You’ve indicated that your post is intended to be humorous. He didn’t do the same with his and it wasn’t particularly funny or on point.
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@Manorcourtman said:
The first thing I do if interested in an eBay coin is search the web for a website of the seller. Usually cheaper and they appreciate the saving. Any rats here want to report me?
Did anyone other than you mention reporting buyers who do that (and aren't subject to the same eBay terms and conditions that sellers are)?
Geez, give me a break! Somebody here is thinking it!!!
Give the rest of us a break and tell us how you know that.
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@Russell12 said:
Except, they want me to see the coin on eBay, and buy it direct.
I don't have a problem with it Saving both parties money.
Your money, your call on how you spend it.
There are a half dozens ways you can justify this slight infraction. It is cheating eBay though. Just as long as you don't fool yourself into believing otherwise.
I know rolling through a stop sign is a violation. I still do it sometimes. I justify it but what I don't do is convince myself it is OK to do so.
I think along the same lines after I beat up coin dealers for selling bad coins. Leaving blood all over the bourse floor is just not OK.
@Manorcourtman said:
The first thing I do if interested in an eBay coin is search the web for a website of the seller. Usually cheaper and they appreciate the saving. Any rats here want to report me?
Did anyone other than you mention reporting buyers who do that (and aren't subject to the same eBay terms and conditions that sellers are)?
Geez, give me a break! Somebody here is thinking it!!!
Give the rest of us a break and tell us how you know that.
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I’m already familiar with the expression but thanks, anyway. And that a good thing because if I weren’t, that would be three different words to add to my word list.😉
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@PeakRarities said:
What this seller is doing might be in bad taste, and against eBay's T&C, but I hardly consider it shady.
"What the seller is doing might be in bad taste, and against eBay's T&C."
"I hardly consider it shady."
When one registers with eBay there is an understanding and agreement you will follow eBay's rules and guidelines.
If you disagree with them certainly you have the freedom to not register.
Like, or don't like, once you DO agree to follow eBay's T&C how is it not 'shady' to break your word/promise by breaking their rules?
@PeakRarities said:
What this seller is doing might be in bad taste, and against eBay's T&C, but I hardly consider it shady.
"What the seller is doing might be in bad taste, and against eBay's T&C."
"I hardly consider it shady."
When one registers with eBay there is an understanding and agreement you will follow eBay's rules and guidelines.
If you disagree with them certainly you have the freedom to not register.
Like, or don't like, once you DO agree to follow eBay's T&C how is it not 'shady' to break your word/promise by breaking their rules?
I don't do those things because I've learned to visit seller's websites rather than visit their eBay stores to obtain a better price.
I wouldn't sweat over breaking eBay's rules when they allow people to be ripped off for likely millions of dollars every year, even when I report these counterfeits.
They have also tried to rip me off with state sales tax that doesn't exist in my state. How many millions of dollars were stolen from people with that eBay scam?
I'm waiting for the class action suit over this tax nonsense and allowing and protecting counterfeit coin sales on their website.
@PeakRarities said:
If this forum was in the UK, @jmlanzaf would have had @ManifestDestiny hauled off to the slammer long ago for producing such scandalous memes.
Lol. Not me. @ManifestDestiny (in his new iteration) and I get along just fine.
When eBay was young I stupidly broke a more serious rule than the one discussed here. They caught me and told me in no uncertain terms than I would be banned if I did it again. I have no issue with someone reporting a rule violation. Keeps the playing field level.
PS I buy quite a bit on the Bay and have never been asked to circumvent the subject rule. Mole hill to mountain.
@PeakRarities said:
If this forum was in the UK, @jmlanzaf would have had @ManifestDestiny hauled off to the slammer long ago for producing such scandalous memes.
I listed some reloading brass on the bay.
It lasted about an hour and I caught a violation and threatened to get banned.
I asked what I did different from the other half dozen sellers with the same items listed and was reprimanded about selling components.
Seems the bay considers components the same as Live ammo.
Okay then...I asked about the seller selling live ammo and they again told me one more time and I'll be banned.
The other listings were still running along with the actual live ammo listing
Their gameboard, their rules.
@PeakRarities said:
What this seller is doing might be in bad taste, and against eBay's T&C, but I hardly consider it shady.
"What the seller is doing might be in bad taste, and against eBay's T&C."
"I hardly consider it shady."
When one registers with eBay there is an understanding and agreement you will follow eBay's rules and guidelines.
If you disagree with them certainly you have the freedom to not register.
Like, or don't like, once you DO agree to follow eBay's T&C how is it not 'shady' to break your word/promise by breaking their rules?
I was referring to conduct between the seller and the buyer, not so much the seller and eBay ; to which I acknowledged was against eBay’s T & C and in bad taste. I would consider it “shady” if he wanted to take payment in bitcoin, or have him pay an account named to someone else. Playing the system a bit? Appears so….but do I have any love lost for poor eBay, so I won’t be joining the crusade.
I guess it could also depend on your definition of the word “shady” , but Im sure both mine and yours would include as cyber stalking, manipulative harassment, and all around corporate bullying, because the dare exercise the 1st amendment rights. I have zero tolerance for the subversion of free speech, let alone an intimidating campaign of terror against an elderly couple for publishing their own opinion.
A few mil is chicken scratch for them, and stories like this fade into the horizon. I surely won’t forget , that’s for sure. THIS is where I feel more compelled to be virtuous, if anything.
According to eBay’s admissions, between approximately Aug. 5, 2019 and Aug. 23, 2019, Jim Baugh, eBay’s former Senior Director of Safety and Security, and six other members of eBay’s security team targeted the victims for their roles in publishing a newsletter that reported on issues of interest to eBay sellers. Senior executives at eBay were frustrated with the newsletter’s tone and content, and with the comments posted beneath the newsletter’s articles. The harassment campaign arose from communications between those executives and Baugh.
Baugh and his co-conspirators executed a harassment campaign intended to intimidate the victims and to change the content of the newsletter’s reporting. The campaign included sending anonymous and disturbing deliveries to the victims’ home, including a book on surviving the death of a spouse, a bloody pig mask, a fetal pig and a funeral wreath and live insects; sending private Twitter messages and public tweets criticizing the newsletter’s content and threatening to visit the victims in Natick; and traveling to Natick to surveil the victims and install a GPS tracking device on their car. The harassment also featured Craigslist posts inviting the public for sexual encounters at the victims’ home.
@PeakRarities said:
If this forum was in the UK, @jmlanzaf would have had @ManifestDestiny hauled off to the slammer long ago for producing such scandalous memes.
Lol. Not me. @ManifestDestiny (in his new iteration) and I get along just fine.
No we don’t.
You just outed yourself. 😁
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@PeakRarities said:
If this forum was in the UK, @jmlanzaf would have had @ManifestDestiny hauled off to the slammer long ago for producing such scandalous memes.
Lol. Not me. @ManifestDestiny (in his new iteration) and I get along just fine.
No we don’t.
You just outed yourself. 😁
It was never a secret. This is the same account and I changed my username myself. MD was associated with my (now sold) registry set so I changed it.
He didn't "out" himself since he was never "in". Those who were paying attention saw the transformation (with a brief transitional moniker in between as he paid his debt to society. 😉 ).
No, it's probably more like jingoism but not as severe. I don't have a problem with inconveniencing a few legit sellers from China if it stops the flow of counterfeits into the US. I care far more about what's good for us then what's good for them.
@Morgan White said:
No, it's probably more like jingoism but not as severe. I don't have a problem with inconveniencing a few legit sellers from China if it stops the flow of counterfeits into the US. I care far more about what's good for us then what's good for them.
Ok. I don't want to fight about it.
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@Morgan White said:
No, it's probably more like jingoism but not as severe. I don't have a problem with inconveniencing a few legit sellers from China if it stops the flow of counterfeits into the US. I care far more about what's good for us then what's good for them.
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Certainly not a crime. At most it is some civil small claims court issue between eBay and the seller, and that assumes there is even a valid and enforceable ongoing contract between those parties. I am not sure what seller contract with eBay says, and I am a shareholder.
Who do you even call to report the violation? The mattress tag police?
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"Mattress tags" are a crime.
No one said "crime" except you. We said eBay T&C violation
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Obviously I am trying to inject some humor into the discussion. Apologies in advance to those who are taking all this too seriously. 😁
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Yes. I got the "mattress" joke.
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It is a crime for the seller (retailer) to remove the mattress tag, not the owner (purchaser) of the matress.
If this forum was in the UK, @jmlanzaf would have had @ManifestDestiny hauled off to the slammer long ago for producing such scandalous memes.
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Correct. It's a tax issue.
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Lol. Not me. @ManifestDestiny (in his new iteration) and I get along just fine.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
What this seller is doing might be in bad taste, and against eBay's T&C, but I hardly consider it shady and I don't consider it a reason to report him. If someone uses PayPal, the protection for the buyer is there, same as when PayPal is how eBay payments were processed before.
The circumstances indicate to me that he does not pay the monthly fee for a store, otherwise he wouldn't have any motivation to circumvent eBay if he was offering buyers a 6% discount when the entire commission for Ebay would likely be around 9%.
With no store, he's likely at the ~13% rate so after shipping, he's offering the buyer an even split of the total fee, but remember he still has to pay PP's 3.5% processing fee. He's only saving himself a few points at most, and a 6% cut for the buyer could be substantial. This all contributes as to why I wouldn't report him, but if he only offered you 2 or 3%, or suggested using a non reversible payment method, then my spider senses would be tingling.
Yes, it only takes cursory technology skills to build a website these days.... but let's not overestimate the brilliance of the average eBay knucklehead. His motive appears to be without malice, and at least he’s willing to share the fee unlike some others that insist on the same price whether the sale is on ebay or made directly, which seems silly to me. Many offer the same type of discount for off-eBay sales (~5%), and make it VERY easy to find my website yet I still receive plenty of messages asking for my “best price”. This guy just said the quiet part out loud and put his neck out a bit.
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I sometimes offer a buyer a discount if we can work a deal directly to save both of us money. No pressure sale, just trying to help out.
I'd report him. That's not because it's "shady" or "criminal".
For the record, I have blocked buyers for asking me to do the deal off eBay. The one time someone offered to sell to me off ebay, I refused and reported them.
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Interesting thread with plenty of varied opinions.
I don’t often buy on eBay, but if it’s an auction bid only item, I simply pass unless I REALLY want the coin.
If it’s a “buy it now” item, I’ll see if I can find a dealer website and ask if they’re open for a direct purchase, and if not, no worries, I may or may not buy it off the bay.
Both parties have always seemed to be happy with that approach, and has led to significant discounts off the eBay price - I don’t see how or why listing a coin on eBay locks anyone into eBay as the only sales channel, but perhaps I’m missing something.
Buyers and sellers are certainly likely to be happy with such outcomes. But the sellers have made use of eBay’s resources to find potential buyers that they wouldn’t find on their own. That’s why they’ve contracted to pay a fee to eBay for resulting sales.
It’s one thing for a potential buyer to see a listing and do some work to find a seller’s website or contact information. It’s something very different for a seller to do what the one did here, and (I would think) in violation of the terms he agreed to with eBay.
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@MFeld Mark, very good point…
Sure scared me when I was a kid! I thought that someone came around every few months to check if you removed the tag and put you in jail if it was not there!
So you have blocked more than one buyer for wanting to go outside of ebay, but only reported one buyer for the one time you were asked to go outside of ebay? Sounds like you're giving conflicting information to try to emphasize your opinion on this matter. It's easy to see what side of the fence you're on here and that's fine. To each their own. But come on, let's be honest huh?
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I have had NUMEROUS buyer requests.
I have only ever had ONE seller request.
Your comment is incorrect on the facts. I report buyers and sellers equally. I just have more buyer requests than seller requests because I do 1000x more selling than buying.
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I don't see any "conflicting information" or attempt to emphasize his opinion in reporting jiust the one seller who had offered to sell off of eBay, in voilation of eBay's terms. I'm not aware of buyers on Ebay being subject to the same terms and conditions that sellers are.
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Ah yes, I read that wrong. Sorry my friend!!
Btw, do you have a website? Lol Just jk.
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Well, well, well……we’ve been looking for you for quite some time…..and this forum finally will bring our hunt for you to a close. Do you still have the tag? Anything to say for yourself before we call the mattress company? 🤔🤪😂
Quoting Charlie Brown: good grief.
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The first thing I do if interested in an eBay coin is search the web for a website of the seller. Usually cheaper and they appreciate the saving. Any rats here want to report me?
Did anyone other than you mention reporting buyers who do that (and aren't subject to the same eBay terms and conditions that sellers are)?
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Geez, give me a break! Somebody here is thinking it!!!
Give the rest of us a break and tell us how you know that.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
With the caveat once again that this is intended to be humor:
Taking Manorcourtman’s comment one step further, it does not seem out of the realm of possibility that one or more posters here might actually champion an eBay lawsuit against a Buyer (who finds and acquires a coin from a seller’s website after seeing a coin on eBay) for an Alienation of Affections-like Tortious Interference with a Contractual Relationship claim.
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You’ve indicated that your post is intended to be humorous. He didn’t do the same with his and it wasn’t particularly funny or on point.
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Lighten up!!!!
I think along the same lines after I beat up coin dealers for selling bad coins. Leaving blood all over the bourse floor is just not OK.
I’m already familiar with the expression but thanks, anyway. And that a good thing because if I weren’t, that would be three different words to add to my word list.😉
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"What the seller is doing might be in bad taste, and against eBay's T&C."
"I hardly consider it shady."
When one registers with eBay there is an understanding and agreement you will follow eBay's rules and guidelines.
If you disagree with them certainly you have the freedom to not register.
Like, or don't like, once you DO agree to follow eBay's T&C how is it not 'shady' to break your word/promise by breaking their rules?
I don't do those things because I've learned to visit seller's websites rather than visit their eBay stores to obtain a better price.
I wouldn't sweat over breaking eBay's rules when they allow people to be ripped off for likely millions of dollars every year, even when I report these counterfeits.
They have also tried to rip me off with state sales tax that doesn't exist in my state. How many millions of dollars were stolen from people with that eBay scam?
I'm waiting for the class action suit over this tax nonsense and allowing and protecting counterfeit coin sales on their website.
No we don’t.
When eBay was young I stupidly broke a more serious rule than the one discussed here. They caught me and told me in no uncertain terms than I would be banned if I did it again. I have no issue with someone reporting a rule violation. Keeps the playing field level.
PS I buy quite a bit on the Bay and have never been asked to circumvent the subject rule. Mole hill to mountain.
I listed some reloading brass on the bay.
It lasted about an hour and I caught a violation and threatened to get banned.
I asked what I did different from the other half dozen sellers with the same items listed and was reprimanded about selling components.
Seems the bay considers components the same as Live ammo.
Okay then...I asked about the seller selling live ammo and they again told me one more time and I'll be banned.
The other listings were still running along with the actual live ammo listing
Their gameboard, their rules.
Ebay could absolutely ban accounts from China. They won't though.
I was referring to conduct between the seller and the buyer, not so much the seller and eBay ; to which I acknowledged was against eBay’s T & C and in bad taste. I would consider it “shady” if he wanted to take payment in bitcoin, or have him pay an account named to someone else. Playing the system a bit? Appears so….but do I have any love lost for poor eBay, so I won’t be joining the crusade.
I guess it could also depend on your definition of the word “shady” , but Im sure both mine and yours would include as cyber stalking, manipulative harassment, and all around corporate bullying, because the dare exercise the 1st amendment rights. I have zero tolerance for the subversion of free speech, let alone an intimidating campaign of terror against an elderly couple for publishing their own opinion.
A few mil is chicken scratch for them, and stories like this fade into the horizon. I surely won’t forget , that’s for sure. THIS is where I feel more compelled to be virtuous, if anything.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/ebay-inc-pay-3-million-connection-corporate-cyberstalking-campaign-targeting
According to eBay’s admissions, between approximately Aug. 5, 2019 and Aug. 23, 2019, Jim Baugh, eBay’s former Senior Director of Safety and Security, and six other members of eBay’s security team targeted the victims for their roles in publishing a newsletter that reported on issues of interest to eBay sellers. Senior executives at eBay were frustrated with the newsletter’s tone and content, and with the comments posted beneath the newsletter’s articles. The harassment campaign arose from communications between those executives and Baugh.
Baugh and his co-conspirators executed a harassment campaign intended to intimidate the victims and to change the content of the newsletter’s reporting. The campaign included sending anonymous and disturbing deliveries to the victims’ home, including a book on surviving the death of a spouse, a bloody pig mask, a fetal pig and a funeral wreath and live insects; sending private Twitter messages and public tweets criticizing the newsletter’s content and threatening to visit the victims in Natick; and traveling to Natick to surveil the victims and install a GPS tracking device on their car. The harassment also featured Craigslist posts inviting the public for sexual encounters at the victims’ home.
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You just outed yourself. 😁
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It was never a secret. This is the same account and I changed my username myself. MD was associated with my (now sold) registry set so I changed it.
He didn't "out" himself since he was never "in". Those who were paying attention saw the transformation (with a brief transitional moniker in between as he paid his debt to society. 😉 ).
I think i found Satan's alt
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That's kind of racist. There are legitimate sellers in China.
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I didn't know China was a race.
You ok today? You seem a little grumpy. My reply about us not getting along was just a joke you know.
I know. And I meant it that "we get along".
Thank you for asking, but I'm fine. Just a little tired.
Do you prefer "xenophobic"? I've bought a few coins from legitimate Chinese sellers, that's all I meant.
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No, it's probably more like jingoism but not as severe. I don't have a problem with inconveniencing a few legit sellers from China if it stops the flow of counterfeits into the US. I care far more about what's good for us then what's good for them.
Ok. I don't want to fight about it.
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Yes you do.
This seller breaking rules or eBay doesn’t care? I bet if reported no action taken.
Direct contact posted all over the place.