@UlyssesExtravaganza said:
I appreciate eBay as a buyer because I dont think it should be about who was right who was wrong and that sounds like how a lot of folks see this. Your fault so no return. Richard Dawson turns to the Family Feud board. "Survey says" XXX. You guessed wrong. Sit down. No money for you and your family.
If you went into Target and bought a shirt, got home, tried it on and your navel shows, you can go back with a receipt and return it. Its your fault. You picked the wrong size. But Target wont say you are stupid. Did you look at the size? Sorry moron. That is your freaking shirt now. Then Target wins one battle and you buy every future shirt from Kohl's.
I get it. There are scammers out there and that sucks. But eBay should be an appealing place to do business where if there was a legitimate misunderstanding, you have options to return or cancel your bid.
Missing in this equation is shipping, both to the buyer and back to the seller.
If the buyer files a SNAD (Significantly Not As Described) return, then the seller does not get reimbursed for the shipping to the buyer, and he has to pay for the return shipping. The buyer gets all shipping - to and from - reimbursed by the seller.
That is just not right in cases of buyer's remorse or buyer's lack of attention.
Well okay, answer this, what was the purpose of including the pic of the sheet that has pictures of beautiful centered highly sought after 1975 cards? None at all. Does it add any value to the listing in terms of what you are bidding on? Not in any way shape or form. Can it be seen as deceptive? Yes. Did eBay think it was? Yes. Do most of the posters here think so? No. But its subjective.
A listing should be crystal clear. That pic has no business in a listing. It is deceptive in a similar way that someone has a picture of a card and says you will get some randomly selected cards. Hey it could be that pic that was listed. If you are selling some cards, just take pictures of the cards the winning bidder will receive. If Target sells you a shirt in a box with a picture of a Ralph Lauren shirt on the box and inside the box its a white tank top but the words on the side of the box say random shirt I say shame on them. Maybe most everyone else thinks that is cool.
I have no sympathy for a person who has to deal with a return after playing their hand that way. Lesson learned. List better next time.
Seller has a 98.1 feedback rating with 12 negatives and 11 neutrals in the last year so not sure this some reputable dealer having his/her reputation trashed.
It’s good to have a healthy debate for a topic over which opinions obviously differ. It exposes the various levels of intelligence which are used to explain it. When it’s done being discussed we can all walk away safely and then look forward to the next one.
@TMCerebus said:
DELETING MY COMMENT ... I DON'T NEED HATE THROWN AT ME.
FYI - I was totally joking there. Sorry that wasn't clear.
FYI - So calling me a "scammer" was a joke, my err then. On these forums I've never seen someone accuse another of being a "scammer" as a joke.
I understand that it's subtle sarcasm which plays off the tenor of some of the comments from this thread but I didn't think it was so heavily veiled as to be taken as insult. Hence why I used something which would be, generally I assume, considered ridiculous to do - this inclusion of hyperbole in an attempt to clearly identify this as humor as no one w[sh]ould put "Shipping via USPS" in a listing title.
I'll take the merit badge as well. "First scammer-accusation joke"! My work in this thread is done.
@UlyssesExtravaganza said:
Well okay, answer this, what was the purpose of including the pic of the sheet that has pictures of beautiful centered highly sought after 1975 cards? None at all. Does it add any value to the listing in terms of what you are bidding on? Not in any way shape or form. Can it be seen as deceptive? Yes. Did eBay think it was? Yes. Do most of the posters here think so? No. But its subjective.
A listing should be crystal clear. That pic has no business in a listing. It is deceptive in a similar way that someone has a picture of a card and says you will get some randomly selected cards. Hey it could be that pic that was listed. If you are selling some cards, just take pictures of the cards the winning bidder will receive. If Target sells you a shirt in a box with a picture of a Ralph Lauren shirt on the box and inside the box its a white tank top but the words on the side of the box say random shirt I say shame on them. Maybe most everyone else thinks that is cool.
I have no sympathy for a person who has to deal with a return after playing their hand that way. Lesson learned. List better next time.
Seller has a 98.1 feedback rating with 12 negatives and 11 neutrals in the last year so not sure this some reputable dealer having his/her reputation trashed.
Did you....want answer? Ok, well,
a) The picture of the "beautiful centered highly sought after 1975 cards is not a sheet. It's the cover of a notebook, which is fairly obvious by examining the entire photo, so you can tell particularly because there are notebook pages peeking out from the bottom. The "cards" on the notebook are there because some manufacturer thought it would be cute to do so. It would only be deceptive to someone who wasn't paying complete attention to pictures provided and the description which that the cards in the notebook are in "topp"(sp) shape or whatever, and all the subsequent pages show only average condition commons + the couple of Hank Aarons.
b) The seller has a shoddy history, but mostly over mechanical parts sales, which seem to be their primary source of business. They've sold off plenty of other cards, and only one person negged them over a problem with a listing.
to be clear: I would not choose to do business with a seller who clearly uses tactical methods to get stuff done. However, in this case, I believe the seller did nothing other than post pictures for an auction which should not have been that difficult to define.
@TMCerebus said:
DELETING MY COMMENT ... I DON'T NEED HATE THROWN AT ME.
FYI - I was totally joking there. Sorry that wasn't clear.
FYI - So calling me a "scammer" was a joke, my err then. On these forums I've never seen someone accuse another of being a "scammer" as a joke.
I understand that it's subtle sarcasm which plays off the tenor of some of the comments from this thread but I didn't think it was so heavily veiled as to be taken as insult. Hence why I used something which would be, generally I assume, considered ridiculous to do - this inclusion of hyperbole in an attempt to clearly identify this as humor as no one w[sh]ould put "Shipping via USPS" in a listing title.
I'll take the merit badge as well. "First scammer-accusation joke"! My work in this thread is done.
Sarcasm seldom plays well on the internet. I've been there...
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972) Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me 2025
I think we are getting along. We don't need to agree, as long as we're civilized and respectful about it. We should be proud to show restraint in the face of conflict while maintaining our opinions.
I looked at my return settings. Apparently eBay changed the returns options have changed since the last time I looked. Now the options look really limited.
You're basing your case on how ebay decides disputes and seemingly "sides" with users? I have called and spoken with ebay CSRs in the past and complained about things, such as getting a non-paying strike when the seller was doing shady crap, and without as much as a cursory investigation, they "fixed" it due to my many years as a loyal customer. The people deciding these cases generally don't seem to know anything and they probably sided with you just to make the issue go away.
No, the seller did nothing wrong. You are 1000% at fault for not paying attention and/or making assumptions. I'd block you as a buyer if I were a regular ebay seller.
@mrmopar said:
Late to the game, but I am seeing a buyer who didn't pay attention. I didn't verify, but thinking the pictures show every card included in the lot. 57% of the set was in the title and no specific players were mentioned besides both Aarons and a shot of cards that are just binder decoration. I am guilty of that quite a bit more than I like to admit when viewing small images on phones and trying to be fast to see more, but I take my lumps if it's my stupidity.
nice post. when I bought the item 16 people were watching and he had just listed the set that day. Do you think all 16 were anxious to pay $550 for 350 commons and 2 vg hank aaron's? Or were the 16 people interested in the page where the 9 sharp looking star cards were pictured?
Did I rush to buy without verifying the item correctly. YES, absolutely. Did the seller do anything wrong, ABSOLUTELY!. i won the case without even filing for a refund. The EBAY person told me they had marked the seller because they feared he would do the same thing again, once I returned the item.
So in this case it appears EBAY thinks I'm right and several of you say I am at fault. Very different results then we see form other people's posts that complain about EBAY screwing them, huh?
I collect Steve Garvey, Dodgers and signed cards. Collector since 1978.
I was preparing to list some magazines and it got me thinking.
Do I have to specifically say it doesn't include a 91 Topps Rickey Henderson card and it's just a picture of the card as part of the cover? I haven't seen other sellers going to those lengths.
Will eBay sellers have to photo each card in a hand collated set of say a Topps 600-700 card set? To avoid any issues. Now, most of the time just the star cards are depicted.
Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
I’m going to buy a card from Probstein tonight and when it arrives I will open a return. Item not as described and I’ll state that it’s missing the Probstein logo that was shown in the listing. Cause I’m curious.
@bgr said:
I’m going to buy a card from Probstein tonight and when it arrives I will open a return. Item not as described and I’ll state that it’s missing the Probstein logo that was shown in the listing. Cause I’m curious.
Assuming they don't simply send you an empty box!
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972) Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me 2025
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Missing in this equation is shipping, both to the buyer and back to the seller.
If the buyer files a SNAD (Significantly Not As Described) return, then the seller does not get reimbursed for the shipping to the buyer, and he has to pay for the return shipping. The buyer gets all shipping - to and from - reimbursed by the seller.
That is just not right in cases of buyer's remorse or buyer's lack of attention.
JBK great post.....
DELETING MY COMMENT ... I DON'T NEED HATE THROWN AT ME.
Well okay, answer this, what was the purpose of including the pic of the sheet that has pictures of beautiful centered highly sought after 1975 cards? None at all. Does it add any value to the listing in terms of what you are bidding on? Not in any way shape or form. Can it be seen as deceptive? Yes. Did eBay think it was? Yes. Do most of the posters here think so? No. But its subjective.
A listing should be crystal clear. That pic has no business in a listing. It is deceptive in a similar way that someone has a picture of a card and says you will get some randomly selected cards. Hey it could be that pic that was listed. If you are selling some cards, just take pictures of the cards the winning bidder will receive. If Target sells you a shirt in a box with a picture of a Ralph Lauren shirt on the box and inside the box its a white tank top but the words on the side of the box say random shirt I say shame on them. Maybe most everyone else thinks that is cool.
I have no sympathy for a person who has to deal with a return after playing their hand that way. Lesson learned. List better next time.
Seller has a 98.1 feedback rating with 12 negatives and 11 neutrals in the last year so not sure this some reputable dealer having his/her reputation trashed.
and my feedback is over 7,000 positives - 100% positive. ulyssees is a poster of reason. thanks bruh..
It’s good to have a healthy debate for a topic over which opinions obviously differ. It exposes the various levels of intelligence which are used to explain it. When it’s done being discussed we can all walk away safely and then look forward to the next one.
FYI - I was totally joking there. Sorry that wasn't clear.
FYI - So calling me a "scammer" was a joke, my err then. On these forums I've never seen someone accuse another of being a "scammer" as a joke.
I understand that it's subtle sarcasm which plays off the tenor of some of the comments from this thread but I didn't think it was so heavily veiled as to be taken as insult. Hence why I used something which would be, generally I assume, considered ridiculous to do - this inclusion of hyperbole in an attempt to clearly identify this as humor as no one w[sh]ould put "Shipping via USPS" in a listing title.
I'll take the merit badge as well. "First scammer-accusation joke"! My work in this thread is done.
Did you....want answer? Ok, well,
a) The picture of the "beautiful centered highly sought after 1975 cards is not a sheet. It's the cover of a notebook, which is fairly obvious by examining the entire photo, so you can tell particularly because there are notebook pages peeking out from the bottom. The "cards" on the notebook are there because some manufacturer thought it would be cute to do so. It would only be deceptive to someone who wasn't paying complete attention to pictures provided and the description which that the cards in the notebook are in "topp"(sp) shape or whatever, and all the subsequent pages show only average condition commons + the couple of Hank Aarons.
b) The seller has a shoddy history, but mostly over mechanical parts sales, which seem to be their primary source of business. They've sold off plenty of other cards, and only one person negged them over a problem with a listing.
to be clear: I would not choose to do business with a seller who clearly uses tactical methods to get stuff done. However, in this case, I believe the seller did nothing other than post pictures for an auction which should not have been that difficult to define.
Sarcasm seldom plays well on the internet. I've been there...
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me 2025
can't we all just get along?
Have you been outside?
I think we are getting along. We don't need to agree, as long as we're civilized and respectful about it. We should be proud to show restraint in the face of conflict while maintaining our opinions.
yea worked with my son on his pitching this afternoon. LHP...
I meant with regard to "people getting along". Tough crowd. I would just fold on stage.
I looked at my return settings. Apparently eBay changed the returns options have changed since the last time I looked. Now the options look really limited.
Ah, "excitement brewing".
You're basing your case on how ebay decides disputes and seemingly "sides" with users? I have called and spoken with ebay CSRs in the past and complained about things, such as getting a non-paying strike when the seller was doing shady crap, and without as much as a cursory investigation, they "fixed" it due to my many years as a loyal customer. The people deciding these cases generally don't seem to know anything and they probably sided with you just to make the issue go away.
No, the seller did nothing wrong. You are 1000% at fault for not paying attention and/or making assumptions. I'd block you as a buyer if I were a regular ebay seller.
Do you sell? As a buyer, you can only get positive feedback (at least the last time I checked), so a buyer with all positive feedback is meaningless.
YES SIR SOLD AROUND 1,000 GRADED CARDS OVER TIME MAYBE A FEW MORE.
Caps lock.
I was preparing to list some magazines and it got me thinking.
Do I have to specifically say it doesn't include a 91 Topps Rickey Henderson card and it's just a picture of the card as part of the cover? I haven't seen other sellers going to those lengths.
I might buy it just so I can return it as “parts missing”. I would simply state that both Griffeys were missing.
Will eBay sellers have to photo each card in a hand collated set of say a Topps 600-700 card set? To avoid any issues. Now, most of the time just the star cards are depicted.
I look forward to the day when they require a seller to post 660 different photos of a set to prove its existence.
I’m going to buy a card from Probstein tonight and when it arrives I will open a return. Item not as described and I’ll state that it’s missing the Probstein logo that was shown in the listing. Cause I’m curious.
Assuming they don't simply send you an empty box!
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me 2025
Wrong thread