@UlyssesExtravaganza said:
I appreciate eBay as a buyer because I dont think it should be about who was right who was wrong and that sounds like how a lot of folks see this. Your fault so no return. Richard Dawson turns to the Family Feud board. "Survey says" XXX. You guessed wrong. Sit down. No money for you and your family.
If you went into Target and bought a shirt, got home, tried it on and your navel shows, you can go back with a receipt and return it. Its your fault. You picked the wrong size. But Target wont say you are stupid. Did you look at the size? Sorry moron. That is your freaking shirt now. Then Target wins one battle and you buy every future shirt from Kohl's.
I get it. There are scammers out there and that sucks. But eBay should be an appealing place to do business where if there was a legitimate misunderstanding, you have options to return or cancel your bid.
Missing in this equation is shipping, both to the buyer and back to the buyer.
If the buyer files a SNAD (Significantly Not As Described) return, then the seller does not get reimbursed for the shipping to the buyer, and he has to pay for the return shipping. The buyer gets all shipping - to and from - reimbursed by the seller.
That is just not right in cases of buyer's remorse or buyer's lack of attention.
Well okay, answer this, what was the purpose of including the pic of the sheet that has pictures of beautiful centered highly sought after 1975 cards? None at all. Does it add any value to the listing in terms of what you are bidding on? Not in any way shape or form. Can it be seen as deceptive? Yes. Did eBay think it was? Yes. Do most of the posters here think so? No. But its subjective.
A listing should be crystal clear. That pic has no business in a listing. It is deceptive in a similar way that someone has a picture of a card and says you will get some randomly selected cards. Hey it could be that pic that was listed. If you are selling some cards, just take pictures of the cards the winning bidder will receive. If Target sells you a shirt in a box with a picture of a Ralph Lauren shirt on the box and inside the box its a white tank top but the words on the side of the box say random shirt I say shame on them. Maybe most everyone else thinks that is cool.
I have no sympathy for a person who has to deal with a return after playing their hand that way. Lesson learned. List better next time.
Seller has a 98.1 feedback rating with 12 negatives and 11 neutrals in the last year so not sure this some reputable dealer having his/her reputation trashed.
It’s good to have a healthy debate for a topic over which opinions obviously differ. It exposes the various levels of intelligence which are used to explain it. When it’s done being discussed we can all walk away safely and then look forward to the next one.
@TMCerebus said:
DELETING MY COMMENT ... I DON'T NEED HATE THROWN AT ME.
FYI - I was totally joking there. Sorry that wasn't clear.
FYI - So calling me a "scammer" was a joke, my err then. On these forums I've never seen someone accuse another of being a "scammer" as a joke.
I understand that it's subtle sarcasm which plays off the tenor of some of the comments from this thread but I didn't think it was so heavily veiled as to be taken as insult. Hence why I used something which would be, generally I assume, considered ridiculous to do - this inclusion of hyperbole in an attempt to clearly identify this as humor as no one w[sh]ould put "Shipping via USPS" in a listing title.
I'll take the merit badge as well. "First scammer-accusation joke"! My work in this thread is done.
@UlyssesExtravaganza said:
Well okay, answer this, what was the purpose of including the pic of the sheet that has pictures of beautiful centered highly sought after 1975 cards? None at all. Does it add any value to the listing in terms of what you are bidding on? Not in any way shape or form. Can it be seen as deceptive? Yes. Did eBay think it was? Yes. Do most of the posters here think so? No. But its subjective.
A listing should be crystal clear. That pic has no business in a listing. It is deceptive in a similar way that someone has a picture of a card and says you will get some randomly selected cards. Hey it could be that pic that was listed. If you are selling some cards, just take pictures of the cards the winning bidder will receive. If Target sells you a shirt in a box with a picture of a Ralph Lauren shirt on the box and inside the box its a white tank top but the words on the side of the box say random shirt I say shame on them. Maybe most everyone else thinks that is cool.
I have no sympathy for a person who has to deal with a return after playing their hand that way. Lesson learned. List better next time.
Seller has a 98.1 feedback rating with 12 negatives and 11 neutrals in the last year so not sure this some reputable dealer having his/her reputation trashed.
Did you....want answer? Ok, well,
a) The picture of the "beautiful centered highly sought after 1975 cards is not a sheet. It's the cover of a notebook, which is fairly obvious by examining the entire photo, so you can tell particularly because there are notebook pages peeking out from the bottom. The "cards" on the notebook are there because some manufacturer thought it would be cute to do so. It would only be deceptive to someone who wasn't paying complete attention to pictures provided and the description which that the cards in the notebook are in "topp"(sp) shape or whatever, and all the subsequent pages show only average condition commons + the couple of Hank Aarons.
b) The seller has a shoddy history, but mostly over mechanical parts sales, which seem to be their primary source of business. They've sold off plenty of other cards, and only one person negged them over a problem with a listing.
to be clear: I would not choose to do business with a seller who clearly uses tactical methods to get stuff done. However, in this case, I believe the seller did nothing other than post pictures for an auction which should not have been that difficult to define.
@TMCerebus said:
DELETING MY COMMENT ... I DON'T NEED HATE THROWN AT ME.
FYI - I was totally joking there. Sorry that wasn't clear.
FYI - So calling me a "scammer" was a joke, my err then. On these forums I've never seen someone accuse another of being a "scammer" as a joke.
I understand that it's subtle sarcasm which plays off the tenor of some of the comments from this thread but I didn't think it was so heavily veiled as to be taken as insult. Hence why I used something which would be, generally I assume, considered ridiculous to do - this inclusion of hyperbole in an attempt to clearly identify this as humor as no one w[sh]ould put "Shipping via USPS" in a listing title.
I'll take the merit badge as well. "First scammer-accusation joke"! My work in this thread is done.
Sarcasm seldom plays well on the internet. I've been there...
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
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Missing in this equation is shipping, both to the buyer and back to the buyer.
If the buyer files a SNAD (Significantly Not As Described) return, then the seller does not get reimbursed for the shipping to the buyer, and he has to pay for the return shipping. The buyer gets all shipping - to and from - reimbursed by the seller.
That is just not right in cases of buyer's remorse or buyer's lack of attention.
JBK great post.....
DELETING MY COMMENT ... I DON'T NEED HATE THROWN AT ME.
Maybe you should put that in the Listing Title Scammer!
Well okay, answer this, what was the purpose of including the pic of the sheet that has pictures of beautiful centered highly sought after 1975 cards? None at all. Does it add any value to the listing in terms of what you are bidding on? Not in any way shape or form. Can it be seen as deceptive? Yes. Did eBay think it was? Yes. Do most of the posters here think so? No. But its subjective.
A listing should be crystal clear. That pic has no business in a listing. It is deceptive in a similar way that someone has a picture of a card and says you will get some randomly selected cards. Hey it could be that pic that was listed. If you are selling some cards, just take pictures of the cards the winning bidder will receive. If Target sells you a shirt in a box with a picture of a Ralph Lauren shirt on the box and inside the box its a white tank top but the words on the side of the box say random shirt I say shame on them. Maybe most everyone else thinks that is cool.
I have no sympathy for a person who has to deal with a return after playing their hand that way. Lesson learned. List better next time.
Seller has a 98.1 feedback rating with 12 negatives and 11 neutrals in the last year so not sure this some reputable dealer having his/her reputation trashed.
and my feedback is over 7,000 positives - 100% positive. ulyssees is a poster of reason. thanks bruh..
It’s good to have a healthy debate for a topic over which opinions obviously differ. It exposes the various levels of intelligence which are used to explain it. When it’s done being discussed we can all walk away safely and then look forward to the next one.
FYI - I was totally joking there. Sorry that wasn't clear.
FYI - So calling me a "scammer" was a joke, my err then. On these forums I've never seen someone accuse another of being a "scammer" as a joke.
I understand that it's subtle sarcasm which plays off the tenor of some of the comments from this thread but I didn't think it was so heavily veiled as to be taken as insult. Hence why I used something which would be, generally I assume, considered ridiculous to do - this inclusion of hyperbole in an attempt to clearly identify this as humor as no one w[sh]ould put "Shipping via USPS" in a listing title.
I'll take the merit badge as well. "First scammer-accusation joke"! My work in this thread is done.
Did you....want answer? Ok, well,
a) The picture of the "beautiful centered highly sought after 1975 cards is not a sheet. It's the cover of a notebook, which is fairly obvious by examining the entire photo, so you can tell particularly because there are notebook pages peeking out from the bottom. The "cards" on the notebook are there because some manufacturer thought it would be cute to do so. It would only be deceptive to someone who wasn't paying complete attention to pictures provided and the description which that the cards in the notebook are in "topp"(sp) shape or whatever, and all the subsequent pages show only average condition commons + the couple of Hank Aarons.
b) The seller has a shoddy history, but mostly over mechanical parts sales, which seem to be their primary source of business. They've sold off plenty of other cards, and only one person negged them over a problem with a listing.
to be clear: I would not choose to do business with a seller who clearly uses tactical methods to get stuff done. However, in this case, I believe the seller did nothing other than post pictures for an auction which should not have been that difficult to define.
Sarcasm seldom plays well on the internet. I've been there...
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)