Jefferson Westward Journey Nickel in Type Sets?

Russell12

For the Washington quarter series (State/Territory, America The Beautiful and American Women) the obverse did not change, so one example of each series works in a type set. For the Jefferson Westward Journey Nickel, 2004 had a different obverse than 2005. Should a type set have one of each?

I know I can do whatever I want, just was wondering what other collectors do and think.

braddick

I go with what Dansco thinks.

Russell12

@braddick said:
I go with what Dansco thinks.

Dansco has neither

braddick

@Russell12 said:

@braddick said:
I go with what Dansco thinks.

Dansco has neither

I enjoy the expanded edition of United States Type coins Intercept Shield offers with their albums VS Dansco.
They DO have openings for coins Dansco neglects.

The_Dinosaur_Man

Do it the same as the 2009 Lincoln Cents

oldabeintx

I have one of each nickel. The quarters may warrant an example of each reverse, but I opted to use one example also. Just too many in the case of the quarters, seemed a silly and wasteful exercise (and all my type is slabbed). I reckon I’ll do the same in 2026 and beyond.

Russell12

@oldabeintx said:
. I reckon I’ll do the same in 2026 and beyond.

Yea, 2026 and beyond will be fun and challenging

rooksmith

Here's a nomenclaturial dillema. What comprises a set? There are proof sets, circulation strike sets, and variety sets. Some of the definitions I have heard of say, is that a "type set" is a group of different types. (Of course there are registry sets based on other things like the Dansco 7070 folder.) Other definitions are that a type set is a group of coins that are all of the same type! (typical?) Then there is a "Series", sorry but I dont know the definition of Series, except if its broader than type. Also within each Year Date and Mint combination there are types (eg, 1972 Eisenhower Dollar type 1, type 2, and type 3) plus varieties, which are sort of unique.

I went to the PCGS Set Registry to find out what the components of the Westward Journey type set. Interestingly, I found that there was only one type of "registry type sets", (specifically, the 'Proof Jefferson Nickels Westward Journey Series, Proof (2004-2006)') I also found that of all my virtual type sets, its the only one that I have 100% of!

There are 5 coins types in that set. that make up the type set. (note that there were 4 unique combinations of the reverse and obverse, though the return to monticello is the same combination that we have today.

I think this is still an open issue. but a type set seems to be defined by the userbase in the case of the PCGS Registry Sets, and by the manufacturer of the coin book. Dansco, etc.

Good Luck, and just get one of each and call it a Match, Set, Game! ;-)

Cheers

PS(This should probably be posted in the PCGS Registry Set Forum> @braddick said:

@Russell12 said:

@braddick said:
I go with what Dansco thinks.

Dansco has neither

I enjoy the expanded edition of United States Type coins Intercept Shield offers with their albums VS Dansco.
They DO have openings for coins Dansco neglects.

jmlanzaf

There's no right answer.

I'm not sure why the obverse alone is being judged for the quarters. You don't have to include them if you don't want, that is the joy of type sets, but they are different. Are memorial cents and wheat cents the same type?

I would be prone to use each reverse for the nickels, cents and quarters.

rooksmith

Correction. There are 5 unique combinations of Obverse and Reverse in the 2005-2006 Proof Set. The 2006 return to monticello is also unique within that set, however, viewed another way the Return to Monticello is its own potential type (2006 to present), so maybe doesnt belong with the others? Its like the Sesame Street song,

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others

Russell12

Here is what I current have or need for nickels. The one with dates are the ones I have.

Shield Nickel with Rays (1866-1867)
1883 Shield Nickel No Rays (1867-1883) PCGS MS62
1883 Liberty Head Nickel No Cents (1883) PCGS MS62
1906 Liberty Head Nickel With Cents (1883-1912) PCGS MS65
1913 Buffalo Nickel Type 1 Mound (1913) PCGS MS64
1937 Buffalo Nickel Type 2 Plain (1913-38) PCGS MS67
1950-D Jefferson Nickel (1938-42, 1946-2003) PCGS MS66FS
1943-S Jefferson Nickel Silver (1942-45) PCGS MS67FS
Jefferson Nickel Westward Journey (2004-2005)
2020-D Jefferson Nickel Return to Monticello (2006-date) PCGS MS67FS

oldabeintx

The traditional type sets beg examination if one is serious about one’s set. For example, the registry type sets for the 19th century end in 1899 rather than the correct 1900. The gold set includes two Stella patterns and both a wire edge and rolled edge $10, but omits the 1854 $3. Absurd. There are many more examples of coins that at least deserve consideration. In addition, it’s way more interesting to include unusual things like the CWT.

rooksmith

@jmlanzaf said:
There's no right answer.

I'm not sure why the obverse alone is being judged for the quarters. You don't have to include them if you don't want, that is the joy of type sets, but they are different. Are memorial cents and wheat cents the same type?

I would be prone to use each reverse for the nickels, cents and quarters.

I agree, I'm splitting hairs, and really what makes up a type is really in the eyes of the collector.

or the TYPE within the SERIES, the type criterion should be the obverse for quarters, but then we have varieties within type too (example Washington Quarters, there were some changes to Washingtons design).

I dont know if this categorization called be called types, but heres how PCGS categorizes things:

Whats interesting is that the 2009 "Territories" are a seperate category, or type, and the "Washington Crossing the Delaware is a compete one coin type within the Washington Quarter Series .

The Territories sort of belong to the States as a category, completely seperate from the "America the Beautiful" coins that are dististinguished by the circle around the fields on the reverse:
Obversse definition of type doesn't work for the pennies, because of 2009, or the Jefferson Nickels because of 2005.

And then of course, if you think of the 2006-present as a type, (which aparently PCGS does not - yet).

As the kid says: yeah, whatever!

The_Dinosaur_Man

I haven't seen the term used on the forum in some time (maybe a few years?) but it's possible that the Spaghetti Hair of the 1990s could be considered its own type or subtype.