Three Day GTG - Coin #6 Ends 8-10 - REVEALED 64RD CAM

Rexford

@Rexford said:

@FlyingAl said:

@Rexford said:

@FlyingAl said:

@SanctionII said:
Are there hair lines on the coin that do not show on the photograph? (which, if present, would reduce the numerical grade).

Not particularly. As mentioned, the die polish often counts against these coins.

It’s only very recently I’ve seen examples where it doesn’t count against the grade, but that’s my personal experience.

Die polish does not affect grade. Hairlines will often not show up in images of proofs.

Correct, but in this case I think the die polish was docked by the graders.

That’s not something that happens.

Excepting a possible confusion of die lines with hairlines, but that should be an extremely rare occurrence in the grading room.

FlyingAl

@Rexford said:

@FlyingAl said:

@Rexford said:

@FlyingAl said:

@SanctionII said:
Are there hair lines on the coin that do not show on the photograph? (which, if present, would reduce the numerical grade).

Not particularly. As mentioned, the die polish often counts against these coins.

It’s only very recently I’ve seen examples where it doesn’t count against the grade, but that’s my personal experience.

Die polish does not affect grade. Hairlines will often not show up in images of proofs.

Correct, but in this case I think the die polish was docked by the graders.

That’s not something that happens.

Any idea why it’s a 64 then?

Video link in my post above in case you missed my edit.

Rexford

@FlyingAl said:

@Rexford said:

@FlyingAl said:

@SanctionII said:
Are there hair lines on the coin that do not show on the photograph? (which, if present, would reduce the numerical grade).

Not particularly. As mentioned, the die polish often counts against these coins.

It’s only very recently I’ve seen examples where it doesn’t count against the grade, but that’s my personal experience.

Die polish does not affect grade. Hairlines will often not show up in images of proofs.

Correct, but in this case I think the die polish was docked by the graders.

Edit - video link: https://www.mycollect.com/posts/99838

The lines (polish) in the right obverse are the only things that would really bring the grade to 64 IMO.

Thanks for the vid. Those would appear to be hairlines based on the way they reflect light. They should be incuse under a loupe. There are also more lines that show in the video than in the pics - for example, some diagonal lines in areas while the angle of the lightings in the pics highlight the vertical lines.

pcgsregistrycollector

I thought this marks were die lines not scratches

FlyingAl

@Rexford said:

@FlyingAl said:

@Rexford said:

@FlyingAl said:

@SanctionII said:
Are there hair lines on the coin that do not show on the photograph? (which, if present, would reduce the numerical grade).

Not particularly. As mentioned, the die polish often counts against these coins.

It’s only very recently I’ve seen examples where it doesn’t count against the grade, but that’s my personal experience.

Die polish does not affect grade. Hairlines will often not show up in images of proofs.

Correct, but in this case I think the die polish was docked by the graders.

Edit - video link: https://www.mycollect.com/posts/99838

The lines (polish) in the right obverse are the only things that would really bring the grade to 64 IMO.

Thanks for the vid. Those would appear to be hairlines based on the way they reflect light. They should be incuse under a loupe. There are also more lines that show in the video than in the pics - for example, some diagonal lines in areas while the angle of the lightings in the pics highlight the vertical lines.

They looked more like polish when I had it in hand, but I could have mistaken them.

I do agree there are other hairlines not visible, but nothing that would bring the grade to 64 IMO (besides the lines under discussion).

@Cameonut - any chance you could take a look in hand and see if the lines are incuse for us?

ChrisH821

It really bothers me that you can have a coin like this Lincoln, with some visible die polish, grade 64, but a colorful Walker can grade 68 with hairlines "hiding" under the haze.
As an example, this WLH is graded PR68, it should be no better than 65. Die polish limiting a grade to PR64 is absurd IMO.

At times I really don't like the way PCGS grades proofs.