XRF test.
The back picture did look like it was ast and possibly have some yellow casting material in some areas.
XRF test results should be conclusive.
There are a few but not many 1965 silver quarters ss there were a couple of leftover 1964 silver planchets in the clad production hopper but find it hard to believe that there were any silver planchets left to strike 1966 quarters in the clad hopper. Note that I read that both clad 1965 and 1966 quarters were struck at the same time that 1964 dated silver quarters were struck up to early 1966.
When you turn the coin around is the alignment correct? Is it in coin alignment. When you turn it around the reverse should be upside down. If this if off, my guess is that it is a magician's coin. There does seem to be a cut near the edge on the obverse, BUT this could just be lighting effect. I doubt that a silver 1966 quarter would be very heavily worn like that one. It would have been found and removed from circulation way before it got to this condition. But then again stranger things have happened.
I appreciate you all for your honest opinions and recommendations. I am from a small island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. So sending it in for grading. I did hear PCGS turn around time is quite long.
So I will be keeping you all updated.. again thank you all
@JRDY4 said:
I appreciate you all for your honest opinions and recommendations. I am from a small island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. So sending it in for grading. I did hear PCGS turn around time is quite long.
So I will be keeping you all updated.. again thank you all
I wish you success, though hopefully, you know that the chances of your quarter being silver are incredibly slim. And if it isn’t, you will have spent quite a bit of money to have it confirmed.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@JRDY4 said:
I appreciate you all for your honest opinions and recommendations. I am from a small island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. So sending it in for grading. I did hear PCGS turn around time is quite long.
So I will be keeping you all updated.. again thank you all
Your location makes it more likely (to me) that your coin is a contemporary counterfeit, as many came out of southeast Asia.
I have a counterfeit 1965 quarter with a similarly crude edge, on mine you can see a distinct seam running down the center and no sign of clad. However, mine is significantly underweight at 3.9g.
There are ways to measure the specific gravity using distilled water and a decent scale, that would be my next suggestion, especially since sending the coin off for analysis or third party grading sound prohibitive.
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@JRDY4 said:
I appreciate you all for your honest opinions and recommendations. I am from a small island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. So sending it in for grading. I did hear PCGS turn around time is quite long.
So I will be keeping you all updated.. again thank you all
In a couple pics it looks like it has a obverse seam consistent with a hollowed out coin with a 66 dropped into it but in others it doesn't. It could also be struck on a foreign planchet. Weird piece.
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I am late to this thread. Honestly, by the title, I figured it was a troll thread.
Here is my conclusion:
To start, I own a coin like the OP's quarter. Mine is a 1964 Kennedy half dollar. Now, most magician coins or altered coins are either split in half, lengthwise- as it is the easiest and cheapest- or cut-out like this quarter and my half dollar. The better the work the less this alteration is noticed.
There are two significant 'tells' with the OP's quarter.
First, and least interesting is the wear pattern on the obverse and the reverse don't match up. The reverse is much less worn than the obverse.
Secondly- and this is what I find compelling- the obverse is not from the original coin. The host coin is a silver pre-1965 quarter. The second coin is this 1966 quarter obverse.
It has been skillfully placed- almost like an 'Opium Trade Dollar" (although with no hing):
Here is the OP's quarter:
Now check the rim/lip of his coin. There is a ever-so-slight gap between the edge of the 1966 inserted obverse and the host coin.
Here are photos of the same style of alteration on my Kennedy half dollar:
This is a photo of the Kennedy "reverse":
My Kennedy was altered to appear as a two-headed coin.
The OP's quarter was altered, I don't know, just for fun or to fake being a silver 90% off-metal quarter.
It is interesting, yet a novelty at best.
I also own a Peace dollar with the same modifications as the quarter and my Kennedy if anyone is interested in photos of that one too although I wouldn't think for a conclusion it was necessary.
I agree with the magician's coin explanation. The obverse of the 1966 is significantly more gray than the 1943 quarter and the seam is readily apparent once pointed out.
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I too have found a few of the Half dollar magician coins in roll hunting. They make a thud sound when dropped on a hard surface. Also they have a different sound when you tap another coin into the middle of it while it sits in your palm. Try that and see if it's a heavy thud or a ping sound.
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XRF test.
The back picture did look like it was ast and possibly have some yellow casting material in some areas.
XRF test results should be conclusive.
There are a few but not many 1965 silver quarters ss there were a couple of leftover 1964 silver planchets in the clad production hopper but find it hard to believe that there were any silver planchets left to strike 1966 quarters in the clad hopper. Note that I read that both clad 1965 and 1966 quarters were struck at the same time that 1964 dated silver quarters were struck up to early 1966.
Ping test it!
Bounce the 1943 quarter on a table, then do the same to the others. One at a time, not all at once.
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
When you turn the coin around is the alignment correct? Is it in coin alignment. When you turn it around the reverse should be upside down. If this if off, my guess is that it is a magician's coin. There does seem to be a cut near the edge on the obverse, BUT this could just be lighting effect. I doubt that a silver 1966 quarter would be very heavily worn like that one. It would have been found and removed from circulation way before it got to this condition. But then again stranger things have happened.
oreville you would be wrong
It's not "left over", it's new production dated 1964.
https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/publisherdetail/51
Fiscal year 1966 ran from July 1, 1965 to June 30, 1966
By the 1967 report, there's no silver coin mintage reported
This from 1966:
But if you look at the 1967 report, they did strike 1 Balboa coins for Panama on standard 90% silver planchets...
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I appreciate you all for your honest opinions and recommendations. I am from a small island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. So sending it in for grading. I did hear PCGS turn around time is quite long.
So I will be keeping you all updated.. again thank you all
I wish you success, though hopefully, you know that the chances of your quarter being silver are incredibly slim. And if it isn’t, you will have spent quite a bit of money to have it confirmed.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Your location makes it more likely (to me) that your coin is a contemporary counterfeit, as many came out of southeast Asia.
I have a counterfeit 1965 quarter with a similarly crude edge, on mine you can see a distinct seam running down the center and no sign of clad. However, mine is significantly underweight at 3.9g.
There are ways to measure the specific gravity using distilled water and a decent scale, that would be my next suggestion, especially since sending the coin off for analysis or third party grading sound prohibitive.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Agreed. It wouldn't straight grade anyway.
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In a couple pics it looks like it has a obverse seam consistent with a hollowed out coin with a 66 dropped into it but in others it doesn't. It could also be struck on a foreign planchet. Weird piece.
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Just do the ping test then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ymGAyKAg-k
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Specific gravity, if 90% silver, would be 10. Just do this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw-2kqjtEdI
I am late to this thread. Honestly, by the title, I figured it was a troll thread.
Here is my conclusion:
To start, I own a coin like the OP's quarter. Mine is a 1964 Kennedy half dollar. Now, most magician coins or altered coins are either split in half, lengthwise- as it is the easiest and cheapest- or cut-out like this quarter and my half dollar. The better the work the less this alteration is noticed.
There are two significant 'tells' with the OP's quarter.
First, and least interesting is the wear pattern on the obverse and the reverse don't match up. The reverse is much less worn than the obverse.
Secondly- and this is what I find compelling- the obverse is not from the original coin. The host coin is a silver pre-1965 quarter. The second coin is this 1966 quarter obverse.
It has been skillfully placed- almost like an 'Opium Trade Dollar" (although with no hing):
Here is the OP's quarter:
Now check the rim/lip of his coin. There is a ever-so-slight gap between the edge of the 1966 inserted obverse and the host coin.
Here are photos of the same style of alteration on my Kennedy half dollar:
This is a photo of the Kennedy "reverse":
My Kennedy was altered to appear as a two-headed coin.
The OP's quarter was altered, I don't know, just for fun or to fake being a silver 90% off-metal quarter.
It is interesting, yet a novelty at best.
I also own a Peace dollar with the same modifications as the quarter and my Kennedy if anyone is interested in photos of that one too although I wouldn't think for a conclusion it was necessary.
peacockcoins
I agree with the magician's coin explanation. The obverse of the 1966 is significantly more gray than the 1943 quarter and the seam is readily apparent once pointed out.
Custom album maker and numismatic photographer.
Need a personalized album made? Design it on the website below and I'll build it for you.
https://www.donahuenumismatics.com/.
I too have found a few of the Half dollar magician coins in roll hunting. They make a thud sound when dropped on a hard surface. Also they have a different sound when you tap another coin into the middle of it while it sits in your palm. Try that and see if it's a heavy thud or a ping sound.