Flea market vendor--"1916 Standing liberty quarter P-1"

logger7

A regular flea market vendor had two worn down Standing liberty quarters that he claimed to be 1916, of course.

Here is a good side by side comparison I showed him:

After showing him the fact sheet, he asked me to email it to him, as if the sheet was not good enough for him to tell the difference.

MFeld

@logger7 said:
A regular flea market vendor had two worn down Standing liberty quarters that he claimed to be 1916, of course.

Here is a good side by side comparison I showed him:

After showing him the fact sheet, he asked me to email it to him, as if the sheet was not good enough for him to tell the difference.

Maybe he wanted to forward the email to one or more other parties.

Rampage

I would assume he wanted to study it further or just simply have it as a reference. I would not read into his request negatively.

logger7

@Rampage said:
I would assume he wanted to study it further or just simply have it as a reference. I would not read into his request negatively.

To claim that a coin worth a few bucks is a "rare" coin like the 1916, worth upwards of a grand even in the lowest grades, even after being shown clearly what the difference is, is just blatantly dishonest. The chance of a 1916 Standing liberty quarter surfacing randomly is virtually nil. The fake "1916" had been whizzed or processed so the date and many details were not visible. For me the wall lines are the easiest tell.

braddick

Coin ownership is like religion.
It is difficult to hear someone tell you your coin is not real yet easy to believe other collectors coins are not genuine.

MFeld

@logger7 said:

@Rampage said:
I would assume he wanted to study it further or just simply have it as a reference. I would not read into his request negatively.

To claim that a coin worth a few bucks is a "rare" coin like the 1916, worth upwards of a grand even in the lowest grades, even after being shown clearly what the difference is, is just blatantly dishonest. The chance of a 1916 Standing liberty quarter surfacing randomly is virtually nil. The fake "1916" had been whizzed or processed so the date and many details were not visible. For me the wall lines are the easiest tell.

In your previous post you didn’t include the part about his claim that the coin was rare even AFTER you showed him the difference. You also omitted the part about the whizzing or processing of the coin.
For all I know, the seller is a sleaze ball. But if so, that wasn’t apparent from your earlier post.

And I’ve see more than a few reports of dateless 1916 Standing Liberty quarters being discovered and bought for prices that dateless 1917 examples bring.

jesbroken

@logger7 said:
A regular flea market vendor had two worn down Standing liberty quarters that he claimed to be 1916, of course.

Here is a good side by side comparison I showed him:

After showing him the fact sheet, he asked me to email it to him, as if the sheet was not good enough for him to tell the difference.

He probably wanted a copy. While I have and know the info you presented, yours is a far better presentation. I copied it for myself if that is ok?
Jim

mbogoman

I've found a couple of these over the years, but none in the last 5 years or so. The shield rivets and wall lines are what I look for...

rooksmith

Standing Liberties are pretty difficult, because they were high relief and left in circulation through the depression. I imaging that there were not that many people who could afford to collect them back in the day. The 1917 type 1 in particular.

_To identify counterfeit Standing Liberty quarters, consider the following key points:

Counterfeit Detection: Look for mismatched obverse and reverse, unusual tooling, and inconsistencies in mintmark styles. For example, a 1917 Quarter with a Type 1 obverse and Type 2 reverse is a counterfeit1.
Authenticity Concerns: Be cautious of coins with grainy luster, poor striking quality, and unusual weight discrepancies. Authentic coins should have a smooth, reflective surface5.
Common Counterfeit Types: Familiarize yourself with common counterfeit types, such as transfer-die counterfeits, which often show double engraving or incorrect mintmark styles6.
Expert Resources: Utilize resources like NGC's counterfeit detection guide and other reputable coin authentication services to verify authenticity2.
By following these guidelines, collectors can better protect themselves from counterfeit coins in the market._

https://ngccoin.com/news/article/14052/counterfeit-detection-1917-quarter/

asheland

@logger7 said:
A regular flea market vendor had two worn down Standing liberty quarters that he claimed to be 1916, of course.

Here is a good side by side comparison I showed him:

After showing him the fact sheet, he asked me to email it to him, as if the sheet was not good enough for him to tell the difference.

That is a great presentation. 👍

Veep

In a Redbook blog, they interviewed an APMEX representative who said that they have found five dateless 1916 SLQ’s recently in junk silver they purchased. Apparently there are still some in the wild.

davewesen

It is possible the flea market vendor is selling on consignment for someone else and needs to explain it to them.

Nice to see APMEX has someone who knows about coins now.