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what would have happened if the us had stayed on the gold standard

HalfDimeHalfDime Posts: 268 ✭✭✭✭

If the United States had remained on the gold standard after 1971, the economic landscape would be fundamentally different in several key ways:

Reduced Monetary Flexibility-
The government and Federal Reserve would have been unable to print money freely or use monetary policy to respond to economic crises, such as recessions or financial panics. This inflexibility would have made it much harder to inject stimulus into the economy or bail out failing institutions during downturns.

During crises like the 2008 financial collapse or the COVID-19 pandemic, the government would not have been able to provide large-scale economic relief, likely resulting in deeper and longer recessions.

Price and Economic Volatility-
Contrary to popular belief, historical data shows that the gold standard did not guarantee price stability. In fact, periods under the gold standard saw some of the most dramatic episodes of both inflation and deflation, as gold supply shocks (such as new gold discoveries) or hoarding could cause wild swings in prices.

Unemployment rates were historically higher and price volatility was much greater under the gold standard. For example, the coefficient of variation for prices was 13 times higher during gold standard periods.

Constraints on Government Spending and Debt-
The gold standard would have strictly limited the government's ability to run large deficits or finance major projects, including military spending and social programs, since every dollar in circulation would need to be backed by a corresponding amount of gold.

The US would not have been able to accumulate the massive trade deficits and national debt seen in recent decades, as it could not simply print more money to pay for imports or debt service.

Potential for Deflation and Prolonged Downturns-
Economic downturns would likely have been more severe and prolonged. The inability to expand the money supply in response to falling demand would have led to deflation, higher unemployment, and slower recoveries, as seen during the Great Depression.

If the fixed price of gold was set too low, it would have triggered long-run deflation; if set too high, it could have led to inflation—either scenario undermining the supposed stability of the system.

Slower Income Growth and Higher Unemployment-
Historical comparisons show that real median income growth and employment were stronger in the decades before the US left the gold standard. From 1950 to 1968, median income for men grew 2.7% per year, compared to just 0.2% per year after 1971. Unemployment averaged 5% before 1971, versus 6.1% after. However, these figures are debated and may also reflect broader economic and social changes.

Global and Practical Challenges-
The US would have needed to acquire and store ever-larger quantities of gold to support economic growth, an increasingly impractical and costly endeavor as the economy expanded.

The cost of maintaining a gold-based currency system would be substantial, with estimates suggesting it could consume a significant portion of GDP.

Had the US remained on the gold standard, the economy would have been less flexible, more prone to severe downturns, and unable to respond as vigorously to crises. While some argue it would have curbed inflation and government overspending, most mainstream economists believe the drawbacks—especially in terms of economic rigidity and volatility—would outweigh the benefits.
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Was removing the U.S. from the gold standard the greatest economic mistake ever made? The price of gold barely doubled for nearly 200 years, and since 1971 it has gone up over 8000%. (Since 1971 the price of gold has increased dramatically, rising from about $35–$41 per ounce to over $3,340 per ounce in 2025, reflecting a gain of more than 8,000%.)

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 19, 2025 2:55AM

    Even when there was a gold standard prior to April 1933, it didn't restrain money "creation" because the gold standard was massively cheated upon during the mid to late 1920s.

    Credit expansions (such as the "Roaring Twenties") inevitably lead to: credit contraction; inflation; and/or default.
    A strict adherence to a gold standard prevents excessive credit expansion.

    Economic activity expanded considerably during the period of the late 1870s to about 1913. The gold standard was generally adhered to during this time, government debt was minimal, and there was no central bank (only the US Treasury).

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 19, 2025 7:18AM

    I think there is a flawed understanding of how the Gold EXCHANGE Standard (not "Gold Standard") worked from 1945-71.

    For starters, no financial firms were "bailed out" though flexibility allows for mopping up operations. :)

    Second, downturns would have been more severe and unemployment much higher (much as Europe today) because of the inability of the currency and domestic monetary policy to ease exogenous shocks. That burden would fall solely on wage and price adjustments.

    Third, the U.S. would have had to run gold deficits as the supply of dollars was increased to meet domestic AND global demand. We'd still run trade deficits and capital account surpluses.

    Asking for a repeat of economic performance from 1870-1913 when the U.S. was largely an agrarian society (50% of Americans lived on farms) is foolhardy.

    A gold standard or gold exchange standard can not function in a modern society. Pre-WW I, it could work because countries and central banks did not have to worry about outside forces like organized labor, rising unemployment, democratic institutions, etc.

    A large portion of the rise in gold's price was because it was artificially held back from 1945-73.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 19, 2025 8:30AM

    I'm curious if some of you who believe in the gold standard have read the articles and books and papers on it by Milton Friedman, Ben Bernanke, Barry Eichengreen, etc.

    I recommend a copy of GOLDEN FETTERS if you can find it. :)

    I love READING and studying the literature about the gold standard. I'm glad it led to the production of numismatic coins like Double Eagles. But it's simply not practical to have ANY inflexible monetary policy determining a country's fate as the long-term costs can be worse than inflation or even hyperinflation.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HalfDime said:
    Unemployment rates were historically higher and price volatility was much greater under the gold standard. For >example, the coefficient of variation for prices was 13 times higher during gold standard periods.

    Of course....the adjustment burden fell on wages/prices/labor rather than dispersed throught the whole chain of production, the currency, or inflation rates.

    Since prices/wages are sticky to the downside, this mean loss of economic output and greater depths of economic downturns.

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    under the new gold standard will I be able to buy a triple latte with a reloadable debit card?

    to most of america that is very important :D

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 20, 2025 5:08AM

    If we declare gold is $20.67 will everything be good again? Ya know, like it was in the good old days of 1870-1913? Ya know, the time period that is so extolled by one.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,106 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 25, 2025 5:15PM

    And the winner is . . .

    My Adolph A. Weinman signature :)

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RedneckHB said:
    If we declare gold is $20.67 will everything be good again? Ya know, like it was in the good old days of 1870-1913? Ya know, the time period that is so extolled by one.

    .

    You can "declare" anything you want. But that doesn't mean anyone will adhere to it.

    There was limited debt prior to the establishment of the central bank (Federal Reserve).
    But since then, debt levels have exploded while economic growth has been no better than 1870-1913.

    .

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RedneckHB said:
    If we declare gold is $20.67 will everything be good again? Ya know, like it was in the good old days of 1870-1913? Ya know, the time period that is so extolled by one.

    works for me, i'd love 21 cent gasoline and ninteen cent big macs.

    Capital investment depends on confidence. - Martin Armstrong

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2025 3:42AM

    @dcarr said:

    @RedneckHB said:
    If we declare gold is $20.67 will everything be good again? Ya know, like it was in the good old days of 1870-1913? Ya know, the time period that is so extolled by one.

    .

    You can "declare" anything you want. But that doesn't mean anyone will adhere to it.

    There was limited debt prior to the establishment of the central bank (Federal Reserve).
    But since then, debt levels have exploded while economic growth has been no better than 1870-1913.

    .

    Well, for an adult to continue to grow as fast as a teenager, that's pretty darn good. Now just imagine if we double the railroads across the country, build another New York City, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Atlanta, San Francisco and Los Angeles. Man, this place be rockin!!! Steel factories everywhere!!! Glorious!!

    Why is it so hard for folk to realize this country and its needs as not what they were in 1895? The economies are not the same and should not be compared.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @RedneckHB said:
    If we declare gold is $20.67 will everything be good again? Ya know, like it was in the good old days of 1870-1913? Ya know, the time period that is so extolled by one.

    works for me, i'd love 21 cent gasoline and ninteen cent big macs.

    And your house would be worth $4000.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RedneckHB said:

    @dcarr said:

    @RedneckHB said:
    If we declare gold is $20.67 will everything be good again? Ya know, like it was in the good old days of 1870-1913? Ya know, the time period that is so extolled by one.

    .

    You can "declare" anything you want. But that doesn't mean anyone will adhere to it.

    There was limited debt prior to the establishment of the central bank (Federal Reserve).
    But since then, debt levels have exploded while economic growth has been no better than 1870-1913.

    .

    Well, for an adult to continue to grow as fast as a teenager, that's pretty darn good. Now just imagine if we double the railroads across the country, build another New York City, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Atlanta, San Francisco and Los Angeles. Man, this place be rockin!!! Steel factories everywhere!!! Glorious!!

    Why is it so hard for folk to realize this country and its needs as not what they were in 1895? The economies are not the same and should not be compared.

    .

    All that infrastructure you write about, that was built from 1870 to 1913, was completed without resulting in a lot of debt.

    Much less "steel" has been needed since then. And yet, debt levels have exploded. The question that should be asked is: why did that happen ?

    The answer is that we have been "scammed" by banking interests.

    You are a "banker" of sorts, right ?

    .

  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 19,470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @RedneckHB said:

    @dcarr said:

    @RedneckHB said:
    If we declare gold is $20.67 will everything be good again? Ya know, like it was in the good old days of 1870-1913? Ya know, the time period that is so extolled by one.

    .

    You can "declare" anything you want. But that doesn't mean anyone will adhere to it.

    There was limited debt prior to the establishment of the central bank (Federal Reserve).
    But since then, debt levels have exploded while economic growth has been no better than 1870-1913.

    .

    Well, for an adult to continue to grow as fast as a teenager, that's pretty darn good. Now just imagine if we double the railroads across the country, build another New York City, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Atlanta, San Francisco and Los Angeles. Man, this place be rockin!!! Steel factories everywhere!!! Glorious!!

    Why is it so hard for folk to realize this country and its needs as not what they were in 1895? The economies are not the same and should not be compared.

    .

    All that infrastructure you write about, that was built from 1870 to 1913, was completed without resulting in a lot of debt.

    Much less "steel" has been needed since then. And yet, debt levels have exploded. The question that should be asked is: why did that happen ?

    There was a lot of debt. Why did Jp Morgan have to bail out the Govt in 1893?

    What was the GDP in 1893 and what is it today? Why did the GDP explode?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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