It can be challenging to guess from images which were taken with the intent of accentuating the best qualities of the coin being imaged. That's not the same as "juiced" or "glamour shot" as some members like to use the terms. I think these images tend to show the best qualities of the coins but they don't necessarily show them as they truly are. It's like looking at a coin, rocking it in the light to see what it actually looks like, then viewing it at the angle which looks best. The graders saw every one of these coins in the good and bad light, saw every flaw and attribute. We only have one view.
It reminds me of the "Seinfeld" episode where Jerry's girl friend look fabulous in the low light on their evening dates, not so much in the harsh light of the day. The best we can do is to try to mimic the PCGS grader lighting and then be overly harsh in our pre-submission assessment.
Just viewed my friends 14 piece date set this week. All of his coins are Cameo and Deep Cameo and CAC. On the Deep Cameo reverses the Liberty Bell appears to be floating in the air. I guess the same could be said for Benjamin Franklin too. Just my observation.
I agree with you. Submitting raw cherrypicks for grading (beginning in 2021 and continuing through the present) has been very interesting.
As for luck, the years 1959 and 1961 have been unlucky for me with respect to proof Franklins. Despite submitting multiple of these coins I have not yet made a Cameo example of either date.
Comments
Cam
Cam
DCam
Dcam
Cam
Dcam
Cam
DCam
Cam
Dcam
Dcam
Dcam
C
C
DC
C
C
C
DC
C
C
DC
C
DC
CAM
CAM
DCAM
CAM
PR
DCAM
PR
PR
PR
CAM
CAM
DCAM
Coin Photographer.
Anyone else want to venture a guess?
Don’t be shy.
it's late, the list is long, and i'm doing taxes this weekend
last one - dcam beauty
then after all the cam/dcam guesses, post that we all got it wrong because you wanted to know fbl or not
It can be challenging to guess from images which were taken with the intent of accentuating the best qualities of the coin being imaged. That's not the same as "juiced" or "glamour shot" as some members like to use the terms. I think these images tend to show the best qualities of the coins but they don't necessarily show them as they truly are. It's like looking at a coin, rocking it in the light to see what it actually looks like, then viewing it at the angle which looks best. The graders saw every one of these coins in the good and bad light, saw every flaw and attribute. We only have one view.
It reminds me of the "Seinfeld" episode where Jerry's girl friend look fabulous in the low light on their evening dates, not so much in the harsh light of the day. The best we can do is to try to mimic the PCGS grader lighting and then be overly harsh in our pre-submission assessment.
My thanks to those who have replied to this thread.
The Grades/Designations for these 12 Franklins are:
1963
PF68
PF67DCAM
PF67CAM
1962
PF68CAM
PF67
PF68CAM
1961
PF67
PF67
PF67
1960
PF67CAM
PF67CAM
PF67DCAM
The 12 coins, in hand under good lighting, appear as they do in the True View photos.
Grading and Designations are truly a matter of subjective opinion.
P.S. Flying Al was spot on with his guesses for the 1961 and 1960 coins.
Just viewed my friends 14 piece date set this week. All of his coins are Cameo and Deep Cameo and CAC. On the Deep Cameo reverses the Liberty Bell appears to be floating in the air. I guess the same could be said for Benjamin Franklin too. Just my observation.
@SanctionII - I've noticed PCGS can be a bit all over the place with these (2nd and 3rd 1963 should have the same designation).
It's really just a guessing game sometimes, and you have to be lucky. Crack these all out and try again, and I'd bet a few trade holders.
Coin Photographer.
Flying Al.
I agree with you. Submitting raw cherrypicks for grading (beginning in 2021 and continuing through the present) has been very interesting.
As for luck, the years 1959 and 1961 have been unlucky for me with respect to proof Franklins. Despite submitting multiple of these coins I have not yet made a Cameo example of either date.