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The king of Buffalo 2Feathers family has new member
MichalSPL
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Hello, just wanted to share with members interested in Buffalo 2Feathers varieties that I am adding new great coin to the population. The 1923 FS-401 is with no doubt the toughest one and I am glad that my coin has been graded at AU58 which makes it second best for the variety between any TPGs. Hope you enjoy this one!
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cherry pick?
Traded two nice Shield doubled dies for this one yet it was raw. The other guy knew what he had and so did I:)
As discussed on the prior thread, this is not a "true" 2F because there is still a remnant of the 3rd feather visible.
A fully effaced die state does exist for the 1923 (the actual FS-401), and this is not that die state.
Still a very pretty coin.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1109771/23p-buffalo-2feathers-non-attribution
Fully agree, yet check out PCGS Top pop coin. The same case. So who is right here? There aren’t any known higher grade examples without a remnant so there is no reference. Can’t compare AU or MS coins to G or F coins imho.
from https://archive.org/details/buffalonickelsab2006ronp/page/n49/mode/2up
True, the plate photos are not of very high grade coins.
If you look at the date on my coin it is also match. It is a 2F coin all day. Even Late Ron pointed remnant on the pic. PCGS was wrong and CAC made it right.
from https://www.pcgs.com/cert/51185312
I don't see the DDO (extra thickness of the date at the bottom of the "9" and "3") on your coin (photo above).
I'm not sure I see the DDO on Ron's plate, either....
I do see the remnant of the 3rd feather on your coin, which Ron links to "Die #2".
He said only Die #1 is a "true 2F".
So I do not agree with your statement that your coin is "a 2F coin all day".
I believe Ron might call it a 2 1/2 Feather.
I do value dialog with you even if our opinions differ.
With regards to date, I am not sure if Ron wasn’t wrong with DDO either, he has circulated coin as the example and date could just flatten which cause widening.
The 2 1/2 feathers show definitely larger part of third feather.
The only correct term I could fully agree on would be die#2 but than do we know that what’s called a die#1 isn’t just worn coin strucked by so called die#2?
Like I said there are no higher grade examples of die#1 makes it no reference. This is what allows me to fully agree with my own statement that both PCGS top pop and my coin are true 23P 2Feathers. If ever higher grade of what Ron called die#1 comes up I am ready to give up on my opinion, not otherwise though.
Your coin looks like Die 2-A from page C-20 in Ron Pope's book.
Pete
There are no known higher grade die 1 examples. Do you know anyone who has one? Pcgs top pop is same die as my coin. I don’t think that debating over this coin die makes sense if we have no references. Pics in Ron’s book are very low quality.
Also check out heavy die polishing line on my coin behind the Indian’s neck area. These have die polishing lines mean one thing, don’t they?
Yep. It does mean one thing. The feather was abraided away but the abraiding didn't get all of it.
You are correct. Debating over this makes no sense. It's my opinion.
Pete
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If 2 feather coins exist with no trace of a third feather, for my money the OP's coin is a 2+ feather coin and I personally don't care what the experts say. The feather was not polished completely off the die!
No high grade coins exist with no trace of third feather for this date or they exist but not published anywhere.
Then for me, no actual 2 feather coins exist for this date. It is the same as having an "almost" FS nickel.
You would have to wipe off several CPG 2F varieties. Several dates have remnants I am yet quite sure you know it well. I fully respect Your approach, my is different.
Then they should be put in a different category. A 3 1/2 leg Buffalo is not the same as a 3-leg coin. AU coins are not MS. Oops! I guess your approach is the correct one. The "Market" sets the rules.