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How to tell a 2 Feather Buffalo Nickel

KISHU1KISHU1 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭

Does anyone have a side by side picture of a 2 and 3 feather Buffalo nickels
How do you tell them apart
Thanks
Frank D

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,149 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Image from the internet:

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

  • OnWithTheHuntOnWithTheHunt Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 21, 2025 7:04AM

    Just pointing out that the above post from Heritage shows a 1913-D Type 1 as the 2-feather example, one of several dates which show a fragment of the small feather but is generally accepted as the variety. True 2-feathers show no remnant. Based on information and posts from other collectors, our host has become increasingly reluctant to attribute the ones with feather fragments.

    Proud recipient of the coveted "You Suck Award" (9/3/10).
  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭✭✭

    True 2 feathers should show no trace of any feather after abraiding, like the example above.

    Unfortunately, that leaves a lot of "close calls" that are mistakenly attributed.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,299 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    True 2 feathers should show no trace of any feather after abraiding, like the example above.

    Unfortunately, that leaves a lot of "close calls" that are mistakenly attributed.

    Pete

    I agree.
    PCGS should treat the two-feather variety with the same attention to detail they did with the 1922 no-D Lincoln cent.
    Even a faded mintmark kept the cent from being a true "no-D" coin. The same should apply to the two-feather Buffalo nickel.

    peacockcoins

  • OnWithTheHuntOnWithTheHunt Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PCGS should treat the two-feather variety with the same attention to detail they did with the 1922 no-D Lincoln cent.
    Even a faded mintmark kept the cent from being a true "no-D" coin. The same should apply to the two-feather Buffalo nickel.

    I generally agree with Pete and Braddick. But the 13-D Ty 1 has been accepted for years. Others show such a minute fragment that they probably should be. My preference is to avoid the fragment feathers when there is a true 2 feathers known for the same date and mint.

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  • VetterVetter Posts: 889 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does anyone have a list of true 2 feathers and one with some trace of the 3rd feather that is accepted as a 2 feather?
    This is the only one in my collection. A 1923 now attributed in a NGC AG holder.

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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,878 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 21, 2025 3:09PM

    In 2015, @OnWithTheHunt wrote:

    According to Ron Pope, there are 27 date/mm combinations for 2-feathers, 17 of which are true 2-feathers with no trace of the third feather, and the rest show some trace of the feather, but so little that they qualify. There are also some dates where both types exist.

    The list of 27 from his book is:

    Ron Pope's book is available free at the NNP:
    https://archive.org/details/buffalonickelsab2006ronp/mode/2up

    On page C-01 (page 31 on the NNP), the list is divided into 19 2-feather and 8 2.5-feather:

    This was previously posted to this Forum in 2024. The above is a somewhat more readable screen capture.
    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13716843/#Comment_13716843

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1066438/ron-pope-koynekwest-passed-away-november-9th-2021/p1

  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,890 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I found a 1930-S yesterday! I will try to photo it this afternoon. I was looking through a junk bag at my local shop
    It looks legit.
    Anybody know if that is a scarcer date?

  • giantsfan20giantsfan20 Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭✭

    In case you missed it on the front page here is the PCGS video on 2 feathers.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KsTSAFT6hqo&list=PLG7e8_oGOkcCK92B2OF39NTLjHytsyM1C

  • KISHU1KISHU1 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭

    Wow you guys are great!

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,878 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Meltdown said:
    I found a 1930-S yesterday! I will try to photo it this afternoon. I was looking through a junk bag at my local shop
    It looks legit.

    Anybody know if that is a scarcer date?

    Ron Pope estimated the rarity of 1930-S 2F as URS-08, which is about at the median rarity across the different dates.
    His 2016 price guide does not have a value for Raw VF20, but perhaps around $70 at that time.

  • giantsfan20giantsfan20 Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 22, 2025 4:25PM

    Link made by ANA on the subject of abraded dies. It’s about 45 minutes long.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4oIXAMMSRxE&t=849s&pp=2AHRBpACAQ%3D%3D

  • giantsfan20giantsfan20 Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 22, 2025 10:33PM

    Wondering what the premium for this type of item? Are the **estimated value **above within range or not since the prices given is quite old?

    @13.37 The 2 feathers is discussed.

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