Odds of a CAC crossover when the CAC sticker is a fail?

Old_Collector

Just in general is there a strong correlation, fail=fail?
What does JA look for particularly in Lincoln cents if anything other than the general condition?
With the crossover special I though that I might try a few if there is any reasonable chance.

Here are two specific cents out of several that I sent, and the ones that got stickered seemed about the same as those that did not, so I have no frame of reference. These two failed, I would appreciate comments on why and whether it is worth the effort of sending them for crossover anyway. (Both have roughed up holders and a crossover would be an alternative to a reholder)

1922-D NGC MS65BN

1929 PCGS MD65BN

P0CKETCHANGE

Both look like solid coins for a 65 grade. I did speak with JA about a copper coin once, and he stated that the color pink on copper makes him skeptical, so perhaps that was a factor for the second coin.

There’s certainly more risk in sending these to CACG than a reholder— they could be details or downgrade (if you don’t set a minimum cross grade). It depends on what you ultimately want for these coins.

You could also have them regraded which will generate a new cert#, and send back for stickering. I’ve had a couple of coins that failed CAC the first time, but passed (at the same grade) when I sent them back with a new cert#.

Or, just send them back to CAC as-is. I’ve had a couple coins pass on the second trip even with same cert#. Include a request for a “JA note” and if they fail again, he’ll tell you why.

oldabeintx

I use a minimum grade when I cross. Would rather cross into my preferred holder than reholder.

Cougar1978

I would say about zero.

Typekat

OK, CACG grading is done in Virginia Beach, and CAC stickering in Bedminster NJ.

So, unless JA has an insane commuting schedule, can’t we assume that there are different teams grading at each location?

Therefore, a coin that fails to sticker at CAC possibly may not fail to crossover at CACG (and vice versa). ?!?

MFeld

@Cougar1978 said:
I would say about zero.

Based upon what negatives?

coinbuf

@Old_Collector said:
Just in general is there a strong correlation, fail=fail?
What does JA look for particularly in Lincoln cents if anything other than the general condition?
With the crossover special I though that I might try a few if there is any reasonable chance.

Here are two specific cents out of several that I sent, and the ones that got stickered seemed about the same as those that did not, so I have no frame of reference. These two failed, I would appreciate comments on why and whether it is worth the effort of sending them for crossover anyway. (Both have roughed up holders and a crossover would be an alternative to a reholder)

1922-D NGC MS65BN

1929 PCGS MD65BN

From the photo only I think the sheen on the 22-D may have been the cause of concern. The 29 has that MS70 look, both PCGS and NGC will slab that MS70 pink/purple look no problem, but it is a no go at CAC. The 22-d might cross but 50/50 at best, I doubt that 29 would cross at any grade 9 out of 10 trys.

renomedphys

Copper isn’t JA’s thing. Gold is. Those of us who have watched CAC since the beginning with an eye towards copper know this well. Take his musings on copper with a grain of salt.

Cougar1978

Everybody knows copper coins tarnish rather rapidly. Once that sets in, getting darker game over. The 22D cent is rather dark. I have to wonder how it has been stored all this time - salt air tarnish or heat / humidity impact?

What am surprised mostly of - how have they remained unspotted thru all this time. How rare is that?

Go send them in again if pocket and curiosity there.

What’s interesting is one much darker than the other. How did it get that way? Salt air?

PerryHall

@Typekat said:
OK, CACG grading is done in Virginia Beach, and CAC stickering in Bedminster NJ.

So, unless JA has an insane commuting schedule, can’t we assume that there are different teams grading at each location?

Therefore, a coin that fails to sticker at CAC possibly may not fail to crossover at CACG (and vice versa). ?!?

Can we assume that CACG has access to the CAC data base and they can see when a coin failed to sticker? I doubt that they check for this with every coin that's submitted for slabbing, but they could.

Typekat

@PerryHall - Good point.

But CAC has always been willing to look again at coins that had previously failed to sticker.
(Twice I was personally successful in that attempt. Other times, not)
So I would think it’s likely that CACG follows the same policy.