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1983 "No S" PR68 DCAM
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https://www.pcgs.com/cert/50836631
There was a note attached to this coin that "restoration" could improve the coin's appearance. The real question is whether an acetone dip, etc. to remove the haze would jump the grade substantially?
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Good question- go for it and let us know- only a 70 would be a big score and that’s doubtful.
Define “substantially”. It’s not like there are a lot of possible upgrade options.
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they're talking appearance
you're talking grade
I haven't had luck with acetone taking that kind of haze off. I think the coin would have to be dipped to get rid of it.
Seeing as though the plate coin on coinfacts is graded 70 and is basically as bad as this 68, might as well conserve.
Sigh. Some banned member probably posted this thought before but I'm going to post them anyway!
A jump to 69 would be worth a conservation fee and paying for the conservation would possibly guarantee the TPGS would increase the grade to 69 right?
Wrong, Alan.
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Any shot it could go 70? How strict are their criteria? Considering that a return to them with conservation, regrade, return shipping, etc. it would have to get the ultimate grade to justify that.
What a coincidence; conservation was one of the favorite topics of your banned alt @Married2Coins .
Id be nice if they would reach out to see if you want the restoration done while the coin is still there.
Are you saying that coin graded MS-68 will not be worth more as a MS-69? Oops. Proof of course.
I feel like I'm being trolled as the two long-time members crap another thread with their witch hunt. Keep it up children. Obviously, you have hounded others here and know you can get away with this paranoid attack. Did you care to look up the other members in this thread to see if they used that word? Well, I just tried and guess what in the first two pages of their comments (I have better things to do) THEY DID NOT so you got me again! Goodby, Ikie. I'm going to block you when I learn how. As for your buddy, I shall keep him around because he might have more posts about trade dollars.
@lermish What's more valuable, that coin in 68 or 69?
Your banned alt @Married2Coins followed @lermish for his trade dollar posts, as well, so that doesn't surprise me:
Wrong, Alan.
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No. He's saying that paying the restoration fee won't guarantee an upgrade.
There's a good example of a similar restoration result in this thread:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1097662/restoration-before-and-after-9-morgans-1-sba
I think it'll clean up nicely but the spots will remain and it will not upgrade.
When the time comes though, it will probably sell for at least enough extra to pay for the restoration service. As it is, it would have to be sold at a discount.
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What is the grade on the holder?
I can’t see it bringing a good result unless conserved. Best of luck on it.
Common guys this is what I wrote: "would POSSIBLY." Since this is an expensive coin, that may not be the case BUT I'll guarantee that if this were a proof with a high pop in 69, and requesting conservation that it would make the TPGS (and encourage future conservation) if they graded the coin higher after conserving it.
What else do you see on the coin that would keep it graded 68 when the film was removed?
It would not "possibly guarantee" an upgrade. It is not possible that a conservation would guarantee an upgrade.
And your firm guarantee is wrong and worth absolutely nothing.
So for the third but almost assuredly not last time...wrong, Alan.
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I guess I’m in a minority here, but I find the coin more interesting with the haze than I would without.
If i sent it in 3 times, would I get a 71?
I have stated the reasons that it would benefit everyone if the coin was upgraded. All you have done is call me "Alan" and post some "stick & stone" comment that I'm wrong. Let's read something useful. Why am I wrong? If I pay you to wash my car and I like the results, I would be sure to let you wash it again. Therefore, it would be in your best interest to do a little extra for a first-time customer like clean out my ashtray.
ashtray??
were talking professional restoration on a coin. there is no extra spot they aren't touching that they could as a bonus. if they are paid the de-haze that's all they are going to do.
Yes, ashtray if you have a special automobile or three. In my story, cleaning the ashtray refers to RAISING THE GRADE. I don't wish to appear like I'm talking down to anyone here. You all know more than I do about coins; so, I'll apologize for my stupid examples and try to be clearer in the future.
I like the big Proof Eisenhower dollars with blue "haze".
Actually, you wrote more than “would POSSIBLY”. You wrote “…would possibly guarantee the TPGS would increase the grade to 69 right?” However, that wasn’t really saying much of anything, as the words “possibly” and “guarantee” are mutually exclusive.
To those who think that @4Redisin is an alt and continue to accuse him of such in multiple threads, please stop. If you’re so certain of it and it bothers you that much, if you haven’t already done so, report him to the mods. Or if you have, report him again.
But you’re polluting threads and negatively impacting a lot of other posters, in addition to your target.
In the meantime, @4Redisin, why not ignore any and all comments about your identity and focus on discussions about coins?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Some of the haze could be removed with restoration, but it is the discoloration around the spots and particles that I see that have damaged the field's mirror finish that I believe will prevent a grade boost.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
Wow, I am surprised how common those are. You would think they would have been noticed way before several hundred were encapsulated in sets.
I agree with Goldminer above. Copper nickel does not dip that well - actually on a lot of practice clear ammonia works better but even that would likely not save the "dots". Regular dip such as Jewel luster would not work well generally.
Well, just Love coins, period.
Thanks for the support. Advice taken. It will be hard for me because I still have a warrior mentality. Now, I can take Ike off ignore.
I did not see the spots. Don't waste money on conservation. IMO, conservation will not remove them. It is too bad that's a hard-to-find coin, otherwise I would sell it because it is no longer an MS-68.
As I said above, I didn't think coin would completely clear up but you would possibly add at least $50 in value to the coin and offset the conservation cost.
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I think the haze helped hide the intensity of the spots. What is one of those coins actually worth now? I have an old Redbook. Never mind, I'll look it up for myself.
The most recent sale I’m aware of was a PCGS PR69DCAM that sold for a smidge below $800 last month.
And I wouldn’t use a Redbook to help determine current values for certified coins.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I prefer to think of us as "uncommon men".
So are you saying that you meant to literally say nothing? You're saying then that paying for conservation may or may not allow the coin to upgrade. So what is the word "guarantee" doing in their?
I'm saying that it would be the best thing to do for a conservation business to give an upgrade after any conservation.
However, on second thought, I'm saying that based on the rarity of the coin the chance for upgrade after conservation would be slim.
And...I'm saying that based on further info (Big Closeup) that coin cannot be fixed so don't waste money on conservation.
It would be nice if the people dipping coins at PCGS could post their opinion. Everything posted by me is worthless speculation.
That's a great way to lead to rampant gradeflation and the immediate loss of any credibility for the business. Truly an absolutely horrible idea.
That's a good point, I couldn't agree more.
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