Deactivated Cert/Failed eBay Guaranty

markmccleary

I won this card on eBay 5 days ago - Item 387888185375. It failed eBay authentication because the cert has been "intentionally deactivated." eBay told me the authenticator was PSA. Thoughts? Does PSA now think it's a fake? Stolen?

bgr

Was the cert deactivated before the sale or when it was authenticated?

markmccleary

The eBay rep I spoke with read the notes which said it was "already deactivated." But I didn't look it up myself until today. It's an odd process to have PSA authenticating PSA-authenticated cards if you ask me.

bgr

@markmccleary said:
The eBay rep I spoke with read the notes which said it was "already deactivated." But I didn't look it up myself until today. It's an odd process to have PSA authenticating PSA-authenticated cards if you ask me.

You’re misunderstanding some important pieces of the process here. You should be thankful the process exists because it’s there to catch things like this. When a cert is deactivated it’s almost always because it’s associated with something nefarious.

markmccleary

I wasn't bashing PSA or eBay. I'm happy to have a refund. I am just asking what the "nefarious" reason might be. Obviously, I would expect a PSA graded card to be authentic.

bgr

PSA won’t share that. Could be stolen. Or there’s evidence that it was altered or other cards in the same submission. Or the cert has been used in other fakes.

82FootballWaxMemorys

make note of the seller!

markmccleary

If the cert has been used in fakes and this card is real, shouldn't PSA assign it a new cert number and send me the card? If you're saying this particular card is fake, that's a big problem. What if Probstein had sold it at a show?

bgr

@markmccleary said:
If the cert has been used in fakes and this card is real, shouldn't PSA assign it a new cert number and send me the card? If you're saying this particular card is fake, that's a big problem. What if Probstein had sold it at a show?

You asked what some possibilities were. I’m not saying whether that particular card is any of those.

You should look up the cert in the PSA app before buying.

82FootballWaxMemorys

@markmccleary said:
If the cert has been used in fakes and this card is real, shouldn't PSA assign it a new cert number and send me the card? If you're saying this particular card is fake, that's a big problem. What if Probstein had sold it at a show?

SOP for that NJ outfit

bgr

Good point. I wasn’t trying to defend Probstein. Whether they’re incompetent or deceptive eBay gives them a lot of leash so beware.

erikthredd

@82FootballWaxMemorys said:

@markmccleary said:
If the cert has been used in fakes and this card is real, shouldn't PSA assign it a new cert number and send me the card? If you're saying this particular card is fake, that's a big problem. What if Probstein had sold it at a show?

SOP for that NJ outfit

Looks like Probstein will now have its own selling platform in the very near future.
https://www.valueaddedresource.net/probstein-launches-ebay-competing-live-selling-platform/

markmccleary

@bgr said:

@markmccleary said:
If the cert has been used in fakes and this card is real, shouldn't PSA assign it a new cert number and send me the card? If you're saying this particular card is fake, that's a big problem. What if Probstein had sold it at a show?

You should look up the cert in the PSA app before buying.

OK. I didn't even realize PSA de-certified certs, but I suppose I can check now. Maybe ebay should also check. I have thousands of PSA slabs, do I also need to look up those certs to see which ones are now deactivated? What do I do with the deactivated certs?

bgr

@markmccleary said:

@bgr said:

@markmccleary said:
If the cert has been used in fakes and this card is real, shouldn't PSA assign it a new cert number and send me the card? If you're saying this particular card is fake, that's a big problem. What if Probstein had sold it at a show?

You should look up the cert in the PSA app before buying.

OK. I didn't even realize PSA de-certified certs, but I suppose I can check now. Maybe ebay should also check. I have thousands of PSA slabs, do I also need to look up those certs to see which ones are now deactivated? What do I do with the deactivated certs?

eBay could check, assuming sellers put the correct cert into the listing details. It’s not a requirement. I do.

You can check your slabs. They don’t arbitrarily do it but it can happen outside of your control and if it does you should contact PSA.

BBBrkrr

@markmccleary said:
If the cert has been used in fakes and this card is real, shouldn't PSA assign it a new cert number and send me the card? If you're saying this particular card is fake, that's a big problem. What if Probstein had sold it at a show?

In order to do that PSA would have to grade it. That’s not included in the Authentication service.

I’d just find another one to buy and stay far away from this one.

82FootballWaxMemorys

....

markmccleary

@bgr said:
PSA won’t share that. Could be stolen. Or there’s evidence that it was altered or other cards in the same submission. Or the cert has been used in other fakes.

So what happens to the card if the card is stolen or there is evidence it is altered or the cert is used in other fakes? Does PSA/Ebay return it to the seller in the same deactivated cert numbered slab to be sold again to the highest bidder?

Because it's back under Item #387965593723

bgr

@markmccleary said:

@bgr said:
PSA won’t share that. Could be stolen. Or there’s evidence that it was altered or other cards in the same submission. Or the cert has been used in other fakes.

So what happens to the card if the card is stolen or there is evidence it is altered or the cert is used in other fakes? Does PSA/Ebay return it to the seller in the same deactivated cert numbered slab to be sold again to the highest bidder?

Because it's back under Item #387965593723

I don't know whether they keep it or what in any cases.

It doesn't appear bound for the authenticity guarantee anymore because where there's a will... there's a way. Probstein has listed that as a "card lot" to get around the auth guarantee. Dirty Dirty Dirty.

Chicago1976

Off topic here, but what is going on with PSA holders? That card is rather skewed in the holder. I've seen that in several new PSA holders as of late.

82FootballWaxMemorys

@Chicago1976 said:
Off topic here, but what is going on with PSA holders? That card is rather skewed in the holder. I've seen that in several new PSA holders as of late.

Lack of QC

82FootballWaxMemorys

@bgr said:

@markmccleary said:

@bgr said:
PSA won’t share that. Could be stolen. Or there’s evidence that it was altered or other cards in the same submission. Or the cert has been used in other fakes.

So what happens to the card if the card is stolen or there is evidence it is altered or the cert is used in other fakes? Does PSA/Ebay return it to the seller in the same deactivated cert numbered slab to be sold again to the highest bidder?

Because it's back under Item #387965593723

I don't know whether they keep it or what in any cases.

It doesn't appear bound for the authenticity guarantee anymore because where there's a will... there's a way. Probstein has listed that as a "card lot" to get around the auth guarantee. Dirty Dirty Dirty.

Some sellers are to be avoided at all costs. Simply pretend what ever they are selling does not exist.

picklepete

@bgr said:
Good point. I wasn’t trying to defend Probstein. Whether they’re incompetent or deceptive eBay gives them a lot of leash so beware.

Both..

82FootballWaxMemorys

@picklepete said:

@bgr said:
Good point. I wasn’t trying to defend Probstein. Whether they’re incompetent or deceptive eBay gives them a lot of leash so beware.

Both..

a far toooo kind comment.

markmccleary

@bgr said:

@markmccleary said:

@bgr said:
PSA won’t share that. Could be stolen. Or there’s evidence that it was altered or other cards in the same submission. Or the cert has been used in other fakes.

So what happens to the card if the card is stolen or there is evidence it is altered or the cert is used in other fakes? Does PSA/Ebay return it to the seller in the same deactivated cert numbered slab to be sold again to the highest bidder?

Because it's back under Item #387965593723

I don't know whether they keep it or what in any cases.

It doesn't appear bound for the authenticity guarantee anymore because where there's a will... there's a way. Probstein has listed that as a "card lot" to get around the auth guarantee. Dirty Dirty Dirty.

Good catch on the "card lot" listing.

What I still do not understand is how the cert can be deactivated but the card is just given back to the seller to sell on ebay, at a show, etc. If it's a bad card/bad cert, I thought PSA/ebay would want it out of the marketplace, not return it to the seller still in the bad PSA 10 slab.

82FootballWaxMemorys

If they could prove the label/flip is fake and since it depicts their trademarks it would be same any other counterfeited goods. Then it's up to the legal system... Like the fake designer purses or $50 Rolex's