Did PCGS miss the attribution on this Washington Quarter Varieties?
NorCalJack
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So I have sent this coin in twice now and still no luck. The first time the coin came back in the same holder with nothing done to it. The second time they removed it, took a Trueview and gave it the dreaded "Minor Variety" Repunched Mint Mark. Here is the Trueview of the coin.
A close up of the MM on my coin
Here is the Variety Vista MM photo
A close up the die crack in Pluribus on my coin
Here is the die crack on Variety Vista
I don't know about you, but to me it seems pretty obvious, but after two failed attempts I really don't know what to do any more. I may send it to Varslab to attribute the coin and send it in again. Although now it has the dreaded "Minor Variety" on the label and I am afraid they will just reject it again because of the label. I could just crack it out, but it is an MS-66 and I would hate to lose the grade also.
Any opinions would be appreciated.
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
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Unless it was submitted as such I would not call that a miss. There are so many of these types that I doubt they are looked for as a matter of course during grading. I think you got a nice cherry pick.
Send it to VSS.
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Yes, they missed it.
Is it a variety that PCGS will attribute as a 1940 D/D FS-502?
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In general, yes, but apparently not on this particular coin, even though it is the correct variety. Who knows why...
I see it as the correct variety as well which is why I asked. I have not done the best job of keeping up with some varieties that might be recognized now... another reason for asking.
Still a nice coin
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So have you or anyone else send varieties to VSS and then to PCGS. If so has your success rate improved.
I have two more coins in being graded and hopefully they will get attributed correctly.
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
OK like I said above, I had two other coins in for variety attribution and neither one came with the variety. Although I still feel they are both the correct variety. Here is the 1964-D RPM FS-503. This a new variety in the Cherry Pickers and they have attributed two of these so far.
This is the close up on my Trueview Mint Mark
Here is the photo on Variety Vista, which is the same photo in the Cherrypickers Guide.
You can see the die scratch on the back side of the "D" matches as does the inside of the "D" in both coins.
Another die marker on the obverse is a die scratch from the "6" in 1964 through the loop of the "9" in the date. Here is a close up of date on the coin not attributed.
Here is the date on a coin that PCGS did attribute as the FS-503 RPM
So I guess I will be sending this into VVS for attribution and then send it back to PCGS again. Very frustrating.
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
I'm confused, what does the label say? Looks like it should be coin number 929366:
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1940-d-25c-fs-502-repunched-mintmark/929366
What coin number did you use on the form?
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I put down Coin No. 929366 as the coin number on the Submission Agreement. For a description I stated "Washington Quarter FS-502" I have sent this coin in twice and both times it did not come back with the correct variety.
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
I understand your frustration. If it was mine, at this point I'd send it to VSS and then leave it as is. I've used VSS. They do a good job and turnaround time is quick (usually a week or so).
@ProofCollection here is the photo of the holder. As you can see it states it is a "Repunched Mintmark" and it is labeled "Minor Variety" Clearly it is not. Maybe it is a mechanical error and they put the wrong label on it. The coin number on the holder says "V5812"
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
OK, thanks, I thought that's what you described above but a picture makes it clear.
You should submit a support ticket and explain that they should have designated it coin number 929366 instead of V5812 and send the pics and see what response you get. I'm not optimistic but it doesn't hurt to try.
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OK this is the last coin that I submitted that also did not get the variety attribution. This is the 1945-S/S FS-501, new variety in the Cherrypickers Guide.
This is a photo of my Trueview Mintmark
This is the Mintmark a coin PCGS did attribute as a 1945-S/S FS-501
This is the cracks that my coin have in "Pluribus"
These are the cracks in "Pluribus" on a coin PCGS did attribute as a 1945-S/S FS-501
So as you can see these two coins match up very easily together and yet PCGS says mine is different from the coin shown in Coinfacts. I understand that Coinfacts photos may not always be the correct variety but in looking at Variety Vista website, my coin matches the photos on that site also.
Thanks for looking and any suggestions or comments are welcome.
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
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My circle of friends agrees that the top two services pay little attention to most varieties. I believe there are two reasons for this. Except for their variety expert (Dave Lange for NGC) they cannot be expected to even see the varieties or even know they exist! Anyway, IMHO, this is not a minor variety. Furthermore. by putting a requested variety on the label, they may be afraid that some collector will pay more than it is worth and blame the TPGS. AFAIK, the other TPGS will do most varieties when requested. I've never had a problem getting any of my Lincoln cents attributed correctly at the other services faster and cheaper! Since I don't plan on selling them, it works for me.
PS I've never heard of a TPGS called VSS.
In case you are not aware, Mr. Lange passed away over a year ago. And VSS is not a TPG, it is a variety attribution service run by a forum member.
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If you have questions about VSS, it's me, so go ahead and ask. I don't know if PCGS will change the variety on my guidance, but it's in their best interest not to be shown to be wrong, so I might have a little influence over them coming to the correct conclusion in this case. I know my attribution was instrumental in getting an 1894 dollar graded PO1.
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@PCGS_Hy Is this anything you can help with?
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Sorry to hear that. Numismatics is not my main hobby so I'm not "married to coins." However, I am married to something Heritage auctions but that covers a lot. LOL.
I can’t imagine this has ever been a concern for a TGP. As long as the variety is correctly attributed, why would a collector be more likely to overpay for it than for any other coin?
Please don't take this the wrong way but collectors come in all types. Some are less informed than others for example, one person may know a lot about trade dollars and very little about Lincoln cent varieties - my interest. So, if I were to see ads for a certain common trade dollar variety like the small "S" an some Breen # on a label touting it as one of the rare varieties in the series I might be tempted to pay the high price it is being offered at not knowing I could find many of the same coin cheaper. So Lincoln cent DDO X that you need 10X to see might be confused with one of the stronger DDO's by someone who was not informed.
Ot is late and I'm watching TV so I hope this makes sense. That's why the two major TPGS's don't recognize ever variety 1972 DDO!
@messydesk I sent you a PM
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
PCGS tends to get it wrong a lot. NGC was near perfect when Mr. Lange was there, but I haven't sent in anything since really.
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I've been (deservedly) pretty critical of PCGS but I will say they have not made any errors on my T$ varieties. I've made it easy for them and given them guidance where I expected issues but, regardless, the final results have been accurate.
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Seems that our host have been "missing" quite a few obvious variety attributions recently. (Including myself)
Maybe do an On Site Show Sub to ask more in person about your coins?
It would be really nice if they printed out a page showing what they are using to make their determinations when a coin fails to meet their requirements.