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Help explaining how this 1806 Britannia edge anomaly(to me) occurred?

jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 18, 2025 7:34AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I just noticed this edge damage? on an 1806 Brittania. Is this made this way? I've never been a collector and had this one and just noticed the edge. If damage, any idea how it occurred? It truly appears as if it was made this way due to the wear pattern.
Thanks,
Jim


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  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It was made that way.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,080 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you, thought it might, but could not find any corroberating photo's of the rim.
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did you mean edge rather than rim?

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  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭✭

    @jesbroken said:
    I just noticed this rim damage? on an 1806 Brittania. Is this made this way? I've never been a collector and had this one and just noticed the rim edge. If damage, any idea how it occurred? It truly appears as if it was made this way due to the wear pattern.
    Thanks,
    Jim

    It was made that way. Interesting - what does PCGS call this edge? What about others here on the forum? I should really ask this on the World side.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting, Jim.

    Mine is fairly evenly struck all around:



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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,080 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Did you mean edge rather than rim?

    Yes, Capt, I did and repaired the post to correct this. Thank you,
    Jim


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    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,080 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    Interesting, Jim.

    Mine is fairly evenly struck all around:

    Nice example, Greg. Love the die crack. Wish mine had it. lol
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Exbrit said:

    @jesbroken said:
    I just noticed this rim damage? on an 1806 Brittania. Is this made this way? I've never been a collector and had this one and just noticed the rim edge. If damage, any idea how it occurred? It truly appears as if it was made this way due to the wear pattern.
    Thanks,
    Jim

    It was made that way. Interesting - what does PCGS call this edge? What about others here on the forum? I should really ask this on the World side.

    I believe that the correct term for it is an "engrailed edge." Applied via a Castaing machine prior to the strike.

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  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @Exbrit said:

    @jesbroken said:
    I just noticed this rim damage? on an 1806 Brittania. Is this made this way? I've never been a collector and had this one and just noticed the rim edge. If damage, any idea how it occurred? It truly appears as if it was made this way due to the wear pattern.
    Thanks,
    Jim

    It was made that way. Interesting - what does PCGS call this edge? What about others here on the forum? I should really ask this on the World side.

    I believe that the correct term for it is an "engrailed edge." Applied via a Castaing machine prior to the strike.

    I believe that is what PCGS calls it along with many more, but over the years many different terms have and is currently being used.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,080 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It was made that way. Interesting - what does PCGS call this edge? What about others here on the forum? I should really ask this on the World side.

    I believe that the correct term for it is an "engrailed edge." Applied via a Castaing machine prior to the strike.

    @CaptHenway
    Wow! I have never heard of "engrailed edge". From 2004, Conder101 wrote:
    "On Conder tokens an engrailed edge usually looks something like a cross between <<<<<<<< and {{{{{{{"
    I could easily see the progression on this Britannia.
    Again, thank you, Capt.
    Jim


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    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think that the term "engrailed" refers to any particular design, but merely the process of sinking a repeating pattern into the edge of the planchet.

    And it may not have been a security device. It may have been intended simply to help the Castaing machine grip the blank as it upset the edge, to prevent slippage on a larger, sturdier blank.

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  • OrlenaOrlena Posts: 323 ✭✭✭

    That is a George III farthing and yes it was made with that grooved edge. It’s a nicely preserved coin given that it’s 219 years old. Go to the Numinista website and type 1806 farthing into the search bar

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I don't think that the term "engrailed" refers to any particular design, but merely the process of sinking a repeating pattern into the edge of the planchet.

    And it may not have been a security device. It may have been intended simply to help the Castaing machine grip the blank as it upset the edge, to prevent slippage on a larger, sturdier blank.

    That's interesting. I had never thought of it being used for that purpose.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,080 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wish I could buy u.s. 1806 large cents for what numinista says this farthing is worth. Lol
    Not to take away from the suggestion @Orlena offered as the site offers a ton of info on this series.
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2025 12:25PM

    @jesbroken said:
    Wish I could buy u.s. 1806 large cents for what numinista says this farthing is worth. Lol
    Not to take away from the suggestion @Orlena offered as the site offers a ton of info on this series.
    Jim

    No kidding!
    I paid 5x more for my 1806 LC than the farthing, and it’s not nearly as nice!

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:

    @jesbroken said:
    Wish I could buy u.s. 1806 large cents for what numinista says this farthing is worth. Lol
    Not to take away from the suggestion @Orlena offered as the site offers a ton of info on this series.
    Jim

    No kidding!
    I paid 5x more for my 1806 LC than the farthing, and it’s not nearly as nice!

    This is the reason why many of us say that there are bargains to be had in world coins. [Of course, the UK minted far more coins in 1806 than the US.]

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,309 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love the British copper from that era!

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