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Potential feuchtwanger cent double struck error

TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭✭✭

I collect feuchtwanger cents by varieties, but I am not an expert on errors. I once purchased a double struck bust half and I remember showing it to Fred Weinberg. Fred said that it was double struck, but for PCGS to designate it as such, they needed to see evidence of a double strike on both sides of the piece in question.

This feuchtwanger cent seems to fit the bill. It came from an ICG VF 35 holder designated as laminated, and while it certainly has lamination issues, I also think it is double struck and that there is evidence of such on both sides of the piece.

So, what say you? Would it garner a double struck designation if I sent it in to our hosts? It was inexpensive and I am not even sure it will slab, but I am curious if folks believe this is a double struck piece, as it sure looks like it to me?








Tom

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  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with the cap’n. But I’d imagine that ANY error on those coins is pretty rare. That’s the first I’ve seen.

  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I do not see any double strike. I believe that the two curved indentations are what is called an "Incomplete Clip." When they are making coins or tokens, the general way to make the planchets they are struck on is to pass a rolled out strip of coinage metal under a planchet cutter. Think of a steel cookie cutter. Punch a hole, advance the strip, punch another hole, etc.

    If the planchet cutter does not completely penetrate the planchet strip, and the planchet strip advances just a little bit before the operator tries again, the planchet so cut can show the curved indentations from the first, incomplete punch.

    Do the indentations line up on either side of the piece? If so, that is what this is.

    They match, so thank you, Capt!

    Tom

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I do not see any double strike. I believe that the two curved indentations are what is called an "Incomplete Clip." When they are making coins or tokens, the general way to make the planchets they are struck on is to pass a rolled out strip of coinage metal under a planchet cutter. Think of a steel cookie cutter. Punch a hole, advance the strip, punch another hole, etc.

    If the planchet cutter does not completely penetrate the planchet strip, and the planchet strip advances just a little bit before the operator tries again, the planchet so cut can show the curved indentations from the first, incomplete punch.

    Do the indentations line up on either side of the piece? If so, that is what this is.

    This was my first impression as well when I viewed the pics, I collect these and have seen them on everything from US cents to gaming tokens. Yours is the first I have seen on a Feuchtwagner token, I have seen a couple of rim clips before your coin.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you, all. I have seen many of these with planchet issues, due to the hardness of the nickel, but also very few error pieces. Incomplete clip? Hmmmm? Well, if we try, we continue to learn new things every day, so thank you for that.

    Tom

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any particular reason for not denoting on the slab the added indentation issues?

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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No idea, but my guess is they didn't know or see it. I may submit it to have the error designation included.

    Tom

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    to get the error designation, you'll have to pay for the error service

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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ‘Incomplete Punched Planchet’

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    ‘Incomplete Punched Planchet’

    Thank you, Fred!

    Tom

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