1909 Lincoln Memorial Cent what is your opinion?
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Yes. It is. I'm not sure what you are asking. It's a decent album coin. Not worth grading. It is known as a wheat cent, however, not a memorial cent. Although it was issued as a memorial.
Well first it is not a memorial cent, it is a wheat back or "wheat" cent. Have no idea what you are asking for, but I'd grade it as AU58, very nice for an album.
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VDB variety? Rare
No not rare, I have 5 or six 09 VDB's in my collection in varying grades up to MS66 red. Your coin is worth less than $10. Do you have a copy of the redbook? That book would answer most if not all the questions you are asking.
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That appears to me to be a photograph of a proof I used to own graded 65RB. I’ll dig up the photo, but I can see the die chip on the reverse in the OP.
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Yup! Here’s my old photo:
So I guess those other two posters up there were *cough wrong *cough *cough with their initial assessments
I might also suggest that the OP is “having it on” with us as that coín photo is widely available as that coin has been listed for sale almost since the day I sold it. Right now I’d put its value at about $30k. I think the owners have been asking more.
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You're right - the OP is playing games.
See eBay listing below:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276136545321
I think even that listing is bogus 🤦🏻♂️
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I think some members look at the post count before they look at the coin pictures and respond accordingly. Today it appears they might have a little egg on their faces.
oops!!
I think we can give them a pass here on this one, in light of the bad faith premise of the OP
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@PeakRarities said: I think we can give them a pass here on this one, in light of the bad faith premise of the OP.
Actually, it is you who should get a "pass" based on the fact of your relative newness to the forum. Let me explain.
In the past, maybe prior to 2015, when someone new showed up they were given a bit of deference. I can't recall the time, maybe prior to 2008-2010, a new member came asking questions about stuff he had inherited. The collection unfolded before us and went for weeks, several pages, as members actually talked to him and helped him figure out what he had. It was a splendid example of Hobby good will. It was also pretty much the norm back then. I remember my welcome.
Things have since changed.
Certainly you are correct, the forum got "played" in this instance but the guys at the top of the thread took the bait they couldn't resist. Both are knowledgeable and instead of actually looking at the coin decided to be gruff. I don't know when that tone changed here, but it has. As a whole we are now less likely to give the benefit of the doubt. Maybe everyone is burned out on all the "parking lot finds" and other stuff. I can say this much for myself, I enjoyed the tone from earlier days and you might think of threads that wonder why some on the luminaries who used to hang their hats here don't want to come back.
This one is funny, though. Stay safe.
bogus, run
It's either rooted in an honest question by the OP about the difference between a proof and a business strike from that era (although he didn't present it that way), or it's a set-up. Either is possible, but I'd probably assume the latter.
I have seen heated discussions on the forum about whether or not a Lincoln cent from that era is a proof. Any confusion by a newbie is understandable, as are assumptions by more seasoned members.
I'm not optimistic about the purpose of this thread, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
My assumption- You have a 1909 VDB, found the ebay listing, and thought you might have hit the jackpot. Then were told by someone that it is only worth a few bucks. There is a big difference between a business strike vs matte proof. Assuming you want answers as to why your coin is not worth five figures.
Here is a link to look at the DIE characteristics on the matte proof and a little info on them.
https://www.lincolncentcollection.com/1909vdbdiecharacteristics.php
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Well, folks, I ran an experiment, and this forum failed miserably. I posted a fake picture of a real eBay listing of a rare 1909 cent selling for around $59,000 to test whether anyone here would give accurate information on its rarity and value. Instead of offering real insight, every comment downplayed the coin’s significance, claiming it wasn’t rare or valuable.
What’s worse is that some of you clearly knew better. The so-called “investigators” here figured out the coin’s rarity but chose to stay silent or give vague, dismissive responses. Why? To avoid giving someone else credit for a valuable find? To downplay someone else’s success? It’s clear this forum isn’t about helping others learn — it’s about protecting egos and gatekeeping information.
I came here to see if anyone would give honest, accurate feedback on a well-documented rare coin, and instead, I was met with fake advice and outright misinformation. The fact that I had to fake a listing just to see if anyone here actually knew what they were talking about is proof enough that this forum is unreliable.
If you’re looking for genuine advice or honest guidance, this is not the place. It’s a community that thrives on downplaying others and withholding the truth. The moment I posted proof of the coin’s actual value, the silence and dismissiveness spoke volumes. This place is a joke — nothing but a circle of people pretending to be experts while keeping others in the dark.
Congratulations, forum. You had the chance to be helpful, and instead, you proved you’re not trustworthy. I tested you, and you failed.
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You sure reached a lot of very broad negative conclusions about this forum based on your experiment.
In addition to that, you’re wrong. Anyone who reads large numbers of threads here would know that.
But if you’d like to ignore the massive body of evidence that contradicts your assessments, that’s your prerogative. Enjoy whatever fruits you derived from your trickery.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
A 1909 Lincoln Memorial cent? It would have been hard to do since the monument was not started until 1914 and was completed in 1922.
Not my first Rodeo here this is exactly why I did this experiment to prove ya'll don't know wtf u are talking about
Tell it to the guy with the original post on eBay it's his pictures with his 1909 Cent !!! Lmao 🤣
It is you who are untrustworthy and dishonest. Everyone who responded gave sincere responses to what turned out to be a very insincere question.
No one here wants to intentionally give incorrect information. And no one here wants to downplay anyone's success.
If you had spent some time on the forum you would know that early proof Lincolns can be very tricky to identify.
Your first two threads resulted in honest - and accurate - answers. You had no reason to "test" anyone with this thread.
Good luck with your next forum. You certainly won't get the same level of expertise of some of the people here.
Like I said not my first Rodeo on here finally got to the point of negativity and false information to prove that this is actually sad and should not be given wrong advice
Yes, your status as an alt of a previously banned member is now very clear.
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Like most Internet forums, there are varying levels of expertise, correct information and misinformation, helpful posters and trolls. It can be hard to sort through - especially for people new to the hobby (not saying you are new).
I’m not sure you proved anything though - folks caught on pretty quickly and you got dismissive posts from 3-4? posters? I’d argue that’s not a representative sample.
There are some other very good coin forums - perhaps your time is better spent elsewhere given your frustration level?
Only because I called them out on their deceit I'm ok with that truth prevails
You sound as if you don’t know the difference between unintentional incorrect information and “deceit”. You received the former from some respondents to your opening post. On the other hand, you’re the one fully deserving of the “deceit” label.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Truth hurts huh ! ....funny that all ya'll are pointing the finger but no one is actually taking accountability
I agree - and can think of several posters with a relatively high post count that have limited numismatic knowledge and/or experience or are only knowledgeable in a small slice of the hobby. Unfortunately there’s not really an efficient way to immediately assess the credibility of a poster (especially as a newbie) - you need to be familiar with or research the numismatic value of a member’s past posts.
Why would anyone take responsibility for another member’s posts?
I’m thinking that you’re the only one who thinks you’re clever.
Smitten with DBLCs.
Fordee4, blaming others instead of taking responsibility for your own actions or mistakes is a common human tendency, but it's a pattern that can hinder personal growth and damage relationships.
The psychological term for blaming others is projection. Projection is when someone attributes their own mistakes, shortcomings, or misfortunes to others to protect their ego. It's more common in people who have negative feelings and can't regulate their emotions.
Oh but I am! 😆
This is not a counseling forum 😂 it's supposed to be helpful on coin collection guidance and come to find out it's not
It is also not a forum whereas members need a civics lesson from you, yet here we all are.
Taking accountability for the initial comments of "My 1909 Cent is NOT VALUABLE OR RARE those people are the ones who misrepresented this forum and did not give credit where credit was due
Then that's your problem not mine
@Fordee4 It appears we are all going to have to learn to live with your disappointment.
Good luck then someone else's trash is your treasure I suppose cuz that's all you'll get on here
Thanks for the edumacation.
Thank goodness the forum members failed your test. Does that mean you are going to leave and never come back playing silly games?
Respectfully, i think you're a little off base here. Yes, we got played because we didn't take the poster seriously. But i don't think "nice album coin but not worth getting graded" could be called gruff. But that had less to do with his post count and more to do with his posts.
Please look at some of his prior threads all of which showed very common coins with the question of whether they should be graded. So, yes, we just assumed that this was another one rather than looking more closely.
THANK YOU!!!!!! AMEN TO YOU!!!!!!!! 🙌
Well, you caught me nappin’. I would like more tests since I failed. I’m sensitive about expertise—maybe an occasional progress report on how I manage to improve. You have to alt up again though since I’ll know it’s you and it won’t be a trick anymore.
Think before you sh*t! It's pretty simple
Our antagonist is gone.
The air around here already seems cleaner.
Ban hammer!😂🤣
That’s one of the hardest times to think clearly. Thanks!
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