How was this a PSA 9?
Yankees70
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I see wear on all four corners. How is this a 9?
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It's not even centered. I see what you see.
Shane
Apologies for my bluntness in advance.
You really need to either mention the card name in the thread title or simply use one of your existing "How was this a PSA 9" type threads when you find another card you perceive to be in same boat!
I mention this as people will stop looking as polluting the forum with yet another of the nearly the same title name of yet another thread is ponderous.
Example: simply add the new card to this one; https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1110097/does-this-look-like-a-psa-9#latest
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Except that's not how the OP chooses to persistently analyze and complain about cards which pertain only to his personal interests.
Always in the market for game used kinesiology tape and smelly socks.
I'm becoming convinced that no card graded before say 2020 or so would have met @Yankees70's standards for grade. Back when the cards leaving the grading room generally aligned to PSA's published standards, cards like this got 9s on the regular. Back then there were a ton of cards in 9 (and 8) holders that I wouldn't want to own, but deserved the grade they got - because they met the criteria.
If you don't think this card is worthy of a 9, write to PSA and tell them to revise their published standard to what you think the minimum criteria should be for a 9.
In any case, if you buy the card and not the holder you're unlikely to overpay for a card you're unhappy with - regardless of what the number on the holder is.
I don’t think cards like this Hunter ever used to get 9s. I have seen more cards graded 9 (and 10!) with noticeable corner wear in the last two years than I did for the 15 years before that.
So what is the most important criteria these days? Is it corners, centering, or surface?
Seems like it would be good to know as someone who still subs.
I never would have sent the Hunter card it for a submitter like myself it would be a no higher than 7 and very likely a 6, akin to burning the submission money.
If folks quit buying cards that are display well below their assigned grade the issue would resolve itself.
By my wild guesstimation 75% of all in the graded card market buy the flip not the card.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Thanks for the advice and going forward I will do as you suggest.
90 percent of the psa 9's I have seen I agree with. This is a message board to discuss sports cards which is why I made the post.
This is a tough card to find in PSA 9 and I can't understand how it received a 9 with wear on all 4 corners.
I thought all the old flips were overgraded and that PSA is tough as nails now?? I'm confused
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Me too! I accept everyone’s experiences, and I haven’t submitted anything in 4 years. But based on my eBay searching, I don’t see all of the perfect 8s, I see a lot of imperfect 9s. 😂
Yankees -- I have no problem with the posts. I agree with you, this is a discussion board, if someone doesn't like it, don't discuss. The Hunter is a 7 at best. And i am with you. We see so many cards that seem to be a little over graded and sometime way over graded. It's Frustrating. But with expansion comes inconsistency.
Keep showing them, I like it.
Thank you I appreciate your comments.
Definitely keep posting them. Always worth the discussion. As a very old timer, I'm always curious to see how people's opinions of a grade have changed relative to PSA's published criteria - which hasn't changed for 20+ years.
That said, I do agree with @82FootballWaxMemorys that if you're going to do a new post for each one making the title more descriptive would be very helpful. i.e. "How is this a PSA9? (77T Hunter)"
People are sophisticated enough to pay up for nice for the grade and pay less for soft for the grade. A very small subset of collectors are on the registry. That’s why I love VCP i can see every public sale of a card for over a decade and compare the one I am looking at to many others. If it looks among the best I bid higher. If it looks among the worst I pass.
Does anyone think this is a legit 9? Just noticed it on EBAY.
I'm asking because I recently submitted two 75 Brett's to PSA and received an 8 on both. Both of my cards are superior to this card. No tilt, 4 sharp corners, good/great centering and no fish eyes, and no white smudge on the bottom right of the card.
not a 9. the bottom right of the front -- something on the border? back centering way off
Graded during the Blind Nine Era.
Always in the market for game used kinesiology tape and smelly socks.
Ugh, that 9 is awful. Judging by cert number, it was a 4SC submitted card back when PSA assigned them their own cert runs starting from 81XXX.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Could be that the label was harvested and that’s not the orig card. I question that slab is real.
Is what you said accurate? I was out of the hobby during that time so I have no idea if your messing around or stating a fact.
Ah, so that was you whispering in my suspicious mind.
Always in the market for game used kinesiology tape and smelly socks.
Yes, back then, large bulk submitters to PSA like 4SC and DSL were assigned specific blocks of cert numbers. I recall for 4SC it was 811XXX through 819XXX.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
The back is miscut and the PD is brutal. This card would be the ultimate example of card vs label. That’s a 5 all day.
Thanks for the information I appreciate it. Knowing that PSA gave 4SC a nine on this card now makes sense.
Over 6K they want for that monstrosity. I bet they will take less. The card was sold in a Heritage auction, 12/28/2024 for $4,400.
Always in the market for game used kinesiology tape and smelly socks.
It's not even worth a quarter of that HA hammer price.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I think that card is not the one PSA graded. Either they got confused and labeled a 9 a 5 and a 5 a 9 or there is fraud going on. They generally don’t mess up that badly.
If that’s a 9 then I have a bunch I need regraded!