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And it can get worse- a different cert number for a common bad 1881-CC Morgan

burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 9, 2024 8:07PM in U.S. Coin Forum

A friend sent me a note on this one; seller had this and lots of raw bad dollars for sale from China.


Obverse barcode didn't scan but the reverse scanned the typical CN PCGS site.

On-line cert had an image and also did have an auction listing.


And the obverse slab comparison to the genuine example:

The twist is that the counterfeiter tried to duplicate a GS lot sticker; it referenced this listing:

And that led to a good image of the reverse to compare:

No end in sight to the "madness"...

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,246 ✭✭✭✭✭

    extremely fast time to counterfeit a GC sticker

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,310 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting the GC sticker is actually in the slab for the fake.

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  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, the ingenuity with the GC sticker is concerning…

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,246 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:
    Interesting the GC sticker is actually in the slab for the fake.

    it won't be for long

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • ShurkeShurke Posts: 395 ✭✭✭✭

    The lot sticker is certainly a new twist.

  • ianrussellianrussell Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Please feel free to send me any links if you see fake PCGS holders being sold with GreatCollections labels on them.

    If you happen to buy anything and receive fake PCGS holders with GreatCollections labels on them, please let me know and save all receipts, fake coins and packaging.

    This has to stop. I heard a secret service officer tell me in August that eBay, Amazon & Walmart are too big to police and fight from the secret service's standpoint. A joke.

    • Ian
    Ian Russell
    Owner/Founder GreatCollections
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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,310 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ianrussell said:
    Please feel free to send me any links if you see fake PCGS holders being sold with GreatCollections labels on them.

    If you happen to buy anything and receive fake PCGS holders with GreatCollections labels on them, please let me know and save all receipts, fake coins and packaging.

    This has to stop. I heard a secret service officer tell me in August that eBay, Amazon & Walmart are too big to police and fight from the secret service's standpoint. A joke.

    • Ian

    That's very interesting - I would think the Secret Service would have the means to fix the problem, or at least make it terrifying enough for eBay, Amazon & Walmart to want to figure out the problem themselves.

    I think if GC wrote to a few congressmen and Senators about that, something might change?

    Coin Photographer.

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ianrussell said:
    This has to stop. I heard a secret service officer tell me in August that eBay, Amazon & Walmart are too big to police and fight from the secret service's standpoint. A joke.

    Yep, the long arm of the law doesn't reach to China.
    You will have little ability to stop them from using a CG sticker or logo. :/

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,365 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We are doomed

  • ianrussellianrussell Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:

    @ianrussell said:
    This has to stop. I heard a secret service officer tell me in August that eBay, Amazon & Walmart are too big to police and fight from the secret service's standpoint. A joke.

    Yep, the long arm of the law doesn't reach to China.
    You will have little ability to stop them from using a CG sticker or logo. :/

    Yep - but I've been meaning to act on some of the fake coins being sold and shipped by large U.S. companies, and this has raised it higher on our priority list.

    In one respects, I should feel honored that someone wants to fake our label.

    • Ian
    Ian Russell
    Owner/Founder GreatCollections
    GreatCollections Coin Auctions - Certified Coin Auctions Every Week - Rare Coins & Coin Values
  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know this situation sucks big time but that coin doesn't look anything like a DMPL.
    The holder on the other hand looks way to good.
    Scary.

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  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 12, 2024 5:55AM

    What really concerns me is the counterfeiters are doing this one “real time” and turning out a revised/ updated counterfeit product while the GC auction is still running!

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