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Soto To The Mets 15-Year, $765 Million Contract!

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,844 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm so glad the Sox didn't do this, as much as I wanted him in Boston there is no way I would have been thrilled with this contract

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So he's basically chasing the $$?

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭✭✭

    He was always chasing the money and the Mats did a great favor to everyone else giving him that contract. I dont blame hime for chasing the money at all but it was a bad signing

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:
    He was always chasing the money and the Mats did a great favor to everyone else giving him that contract. I dont blame hime for chasing the money at all but it was a bad signing

    What do you mean bad signing?

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  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s a rare day when I agree with king bother here but…. From a baseball perspective it’s a dud. But I think the Mets will make bank off this promotion. Cohen is pretty shrewd there. I’ll give him credit even though I detest him.

  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,390 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mets fan here, and I'm thrilled!
    This guy is a game changer. Yes, it's a lot of money...but it's not MY money. I totally expected Yankee fans, Boston, Toronto to act like this.
    "Oh, no...not worth it. You can have him for THAT price. He's a dud!"
    Well, this is exactly what we've been waiting for. Guy is 26, hasn't even hit his prime yet.
    Stay tuned

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2024 10:08PM

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Basebal21 said:
    He was always chasing the money and the Mats did a great favor to everyone else giving him that contract. I dont blame hime for chasing the money at all but it was a bad signing

    What do you mean bad signing?

    A huge over payment for what they will get. Its not my money and good for him for sure getting that money, but it was a bad signing by the Mets. He may or may not be 26, I have serious doubts he actually is 26. Thats a tion if money for a bad outfielder who will only get worse out there.

    Cohen has the money to burn but 2 300 million or 3 200 million players is what they really need. Way to many holes on that team for him to be the answer

    They almost certainly were just bidding against themselves for a while at that number too

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,844 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:
    Mets fan here, and I'm thrilled!
    This guy is a game changer. Yes, it's a lot of money...but it's not MY money. I totally expected Yankee fans, Boston, Toronto to act like this.
    "Oh, no...not worth it. You can have him for THAT price. He's a dud!"
    Well, this is exactly what we've been waiting for. Guy is 26, hasn't even hit his prime yet.
    Stay tuned

    I never said he was a dud, you should get a couple good seasons out of him lol

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why not just give him the team, the paperwork would have been easier.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is a lot of money for a DH masquerading as a corner outfielder. If he can replicate this past season then it isn't too bad...but was last year a career year and can he do that again without Judge hitting behind him?

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,347 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am dissapointed the Sox did not sign him, but I am happy they did not sign him for that level of money. If he does not opt out after year 5, the contract will bounce up to $800MM!!!! that is a lot of money to invest in just one player.

    The back end of this contract could be monumentally bad.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Basebal21 said:
    He was always chasing the money and the Mats did a great favor to everyone else giving him that contract. I dont blame hime for chasing the money at all but it was a bad signing

    What do you mean bad signing?

    A huge over payment for what they will get. Its not my money and good for him for sure getting that money, but it was a bad signing by the Mets. He may or may not be 26, I have serious doubts he actually is 26. Thats a tion if money for a bad outfielder who will only get worse out there.

    Cohen has the money to burn but 2 300 million or 3 200 million players is what they really need. Way to many holes on that team for him to be the answer

    They almost certainly were just bidding against themselves for a while at that number too

    Okay, thanks.

    I'm thinking if this guy doesn't perform (on day one!) , the New York fans and sports media will rip him a new one!!

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  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭✭

    I have mixed feelings about the Mets signing him.
    I am glad the Sox did not get him for that kind of money for sure.
    I am sad that the sox have wasted all this time going after him.
    I am glad the Yankees did not get him and sad they did not get him and waste their money.
    I hope now the Sox will now spend some money on their biggest need which is pitching.
    I hope they now can trade Matsusaka and put Raffy in the D/H spot.
    There are some good 3rd basemen available for the 3 rd base position.
    Ok Mr Henry you showed us you want to spend some money so the ball is in your court!
    Are the Red Sox going to sink or swim this year?

  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,390 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. I've never heard anyone question this guy's age before this week
    2. Never heard so many people bag on this guy's defensive skills until free agency either. He's only 26, and he's not going to be the DH, fellas
    3. While Cohen certainly drove up the price, we didnt get here alone. The Yankees offered $760/16 and the Red Sox were willing to go $700. Toronto was certainly up there, too.
    4. He is the most impactful player that I can imagine joining the ranks. Judge was the MVP of the regular season, but Soto carried them through the playoffs nearly on his own
    5. While the details of the contract are still in the opening stages, I dont believe his salary "will bounce up to $800MM" if he DOESN'T opt out. Just the opposite, if Soto feels he deserves more than $51mm/yr, he can opt out and test free agency. Cohen has the option to pay something like 5mil more a year to keep him, and THAT would bring the contact over $800mil.
    6. To be fair, I wouldn't pay this much dough for anyone but I don't own the team. I think people are somehow expecting this to impact the Mets ability to spend on other pieces. Well, Steve Cohen is not Fred Wilpon. You can mark my words that Soto will be an addition to the core, and not some star in which we have to let guys walk to attain. Look for Alonso to re-up next

    This could really be a realignment in how much athletes start to make. Judge, Harper, Machado, Lindor. Even Ohtani looks like a bargain in comparison.

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  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tommyrusty7 said:

    Are the Red Sox going to sink or swim this year?

    My early, like really early predicition is sink. They will not even make it to the playoffs...again. Misguided management who wasted time and effort to offer ONE player over a half a billion, when in fact the need is staring them in the face. I once again have ZERO faith in the resigned cheater manager, who acts like nothing more than one of the good ole boys. Ir appears the Red Sox organiztion has a thing called self-induced coma. Don't they have a farm system where, surely there must be a potential star to bring up for peanuts and give him/them a shot?

    It takes 9 players to field the team, Soto would have been nothing more than a distraction, with occasional brilliance not worthy of such insane money. So what if he hits 30-40 hrs, or has 100 rbis, those stats do not guarantee his efforts during these games insures a win, and if you don't win enough games, you ain't goin' anywhere.

    The Mets are on a fool's errand with this signing. He's 26, the contract is for 15 years, making him 41 IF he makes it that far in terms of production...I think not. In a 3 hour game, 162 games per season (not year), times 15 years, equals, $105k per hour

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 9, 2024 9:12AM

    Not bad pay if you can find a sucker to pay it.
    What it does is drive the market to a place where every player, not on payroll now, wants that kind of money and will be signing for what was chump change on one year contracts to give it a go next year for all the marbles.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:
    It is a lot of money for a DH masquerading as a corner outfielder. If he can replicate this past season then it isn't too bad...but was last year a career year and can he do that again without Judge hitting behind him?

    Its still kind of pretty bad even if he did do last season again. Theres no deferred money and the deal can get to over 800 million if the Mets void his buy out which he would be insane to use. He doesnt really bring in a massive revenue market like Othani does either and the Mets were significantly higher than any other offer. Its been a couple years but Manny and Harper together would still have a 100 millions left over instead of 1 Soto

    Turning around and signing Holmes to try and make him a starter was dumb as well but the Soto contract is the worst one in baseball other that the Red Sox minor leaguer making like 80 million to play in the the minors

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:
    1. I've never heard anyone question this guy's age before this week

    Whether its ever been posted here or not his age has been at the very least somewhat in question his whole career. He was in the last group of the DR players before there was a major crack down by both MLB, the USA, and the DR about player ages being falsified. The only players we know for sure what their actual age is from that period are the ones that are sons of MLB players where we know the actual birthday.

    Theres countless scandals of scouts and reps forging documents to make players younger during that time frame there Even to this day the Padres just pulled an offer to a top prospect last month when it was found out that he was 5 years older than his documents showed. He was 19 playing against 14 year olds. Maybe Soto is actually 26, but my guess would be probably not

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  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @DCW said:
    1. I've never heard anyone question this guy's age before this week

    Whether its ever been posted here or not his age has been at the very least somewhat in question his whole career. He was in the last group of the DR players before there was a major crack down by both MLB, the USA, and the DR about player ages being falsified. The only players we know for sure what their actual age is from that period are the ones that are sons of MLB players where we know the actual birthday.

    Theres countless scandals of scouts and reps forging documents to make players younger during that time frame there Even to this day the Padres just pulled an offer to a top prospect last month when it was found out that he was 5 years older than his documents showed. He was 19 playing against 14 year olds. Maybe Soto is actually 26, but my guess would be probably not

    Excellent post

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LandrysFedora said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Basebal21 said:
    He was always chasing the money and the Mats did a great favor to everyone else giving him that contract. I dont blame hime for chasing the money at all but it was a bad signing

    What do you mean bad signing?

    A huge over payment for what they will get. Its not my money and good for him for sure getting that money, but it was a bad signing by the Mets. He may or may not be 26, I have serious doubts he actually is 26. Thats a tion if money for a bad outfielder who will only get worse out there.

    Cohen has the money to burn but 2 300 million or 3 200 million players is what they really need. Way to many holes on that team for him to be the answer

    They almost certainly were just bidding against themselves for a while at that number too

    @Basebal21, I have been questioning his age since he came up in 2018. There were constant comparisons between him and Acuna at the time. And just by looking at them there is no way I can be convinced he is a year younger than Acuna. I have been saying this to my wife for years. You are the 1st person I have heard question this as I do. For all we know this 15-year deal may end when he is 45 or 46??

    45ish sounds about right at the end. The knee injuries for Acuna are brutal. even if they were the same age Acuna is the better player aside from injuries. Hopefully that goes on and his ACLs dont end his career, but I do think its pretty fitting that a lot of teams with a lot of money werent really interested in Soto

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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,390 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mets had a ton of money coming off the books, and even after signing Soto stand at 230mil. (Exactly the same as the Yankees.) Thats 90mil LESS than last year's lineup. We're excited. Soto brings that excitement to the team, and I think alot of this talk is sour grapes.
    "Worst contract in baseball?" It's not even official, yet. Relax. You all should be glad he didn't go off to the Dodgers for one team to dominate every game, every year until 2035.

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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,390 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    I do think its pretty fitting that a lot of teams with a lot of money werent really interested in Soto

    Please.
    You followed this journey, Im sure. Every team was interested, they all checked in with Boras. But everyone knew he would command moon money. At least 600. You had 4 teams offer him 700+ It came down to 5 teams, because of the money, not for lack of interest. If the Dodgers didn't already have the NL All Star team on the payroll, Soto would be there at any price. He's generational talent.
    Sorry for the borrowed media buzzword.

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    I do think its pretty fitting that a lot of teams with a lot of money werent really interested in Soto

    Please.
    You followed this journey, Im sure. Every team was interested, they all checked in with Boras. But everyone knew he would command moon money. At least 600. You had 4 teams offer him 700+ It came down to 5 teams, because of the money, not for lack of interest. If the Dodgers didn't already have the NL All Star team on the payroll, Soto would be there at any price. He's generational talent.
    Sorry for the borrowed media buzzword.

    Dodgers never really got into the mix. They certainly all checked in but weren't interested in paying him 51 million a year with no deferred money The other teams wanted deferred money. Othanits contract is worth 481 with all the deferred money and brings in a ton of money with the Japanese market and getting other players.

    500 Maybe could be justified, 700+ was just a bad decision. I dont blame Boras or Soto for taking it by any means and certainly the tip of the hat for them getting the Mets to bid against themselves

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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,390 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21
    Please enlighten us. How did the Mets bid against themselves when it is reported that the Yankees, Red Sox, and Blue Jays all put in 700 million dollar offers? 😆

    And "Basebal" has 2 L's! ;)

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 9, 2024 7:55PM

    @DCW said:
    @Basebal21
    Please enlighten us. How did the Mets bid against themselves when it is reported that the Yankees, Red Sox, and Blue Jays all put in 700 million dollar offers? 😆

    And "Basebal" has 2 L's! ;)

    The Yankees offered 16 years. The Red Sox offered a reported 700 the Mets gave 7 years 765 which could be over 800 and no deferred money. Mets gave the most money for the least years with no deferrals. No one was close to the Mets offer

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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,390 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @DCW said:
    @Basebal21
    Please enlighten us. How did the Mets bid against themselves when it is reported that the Yankees, Red Sox, and Blue Jays all put in 700 million dollar offers? 😆

    And "Basebal" has 2 L's! ;)

    The Yankees offered 16 years. The Red Sox offered a reported 700 the Mets gave 7 years 765 which could be over 800 and no deferred money. Mets gave the most money for the least years with no deferrals. No one was close to the Mets offer

    The Mets had the highest offer, and they got the prize. That's how it always works, right?
    The Yankees offered 760/16
    And the Mets offered 765/15
    Pretty close when we're talking about $5 million and a throw away year at the end of his career, don't you agree? I mean he'll be 50 years old by your calculations!

    And it only goes to $800 million if Soto opts out of this enormous contract and we accept paying him more.

    Anyway, I haven't heard a single Mets fan complain about this "bad signing." Only, you know, everyone else.

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @DCW said:
    @Basebal21
    Please enlighten us. How did the Mets bid against themselves when it is reported that the Yankees, Red Sox, and Blue Jays all put in 700 million dollar offers? 😆

    And "Basebal" has 2 L's! ;)

    The Yankees offered 16 years. The Red Sox offered a reported 700 the Mets gave 7 years 765 which could be over 800 and no deferred money. Mets gave the most money for the least years with no deferrals. No one was close to the Mets offer

    The Mets had the highest offer, and they got the prize. That's how it always works, right?
    The Yankees offered 760/16
    And the Mets offered 765/15
    Pretty close when we're talking about $5 million and a throw away year at the end of his career, don't you agree? I mean he'll be 50 years old by your calculations!

    And it only goes to $800 million if Soto opts out of this enormous contract and we accept paying him more.

    Anyway, I haven't heard a single Mets fan complain about this "bad signing." Only, you know, everyone else.

    Even ignoring the deferred money stuff, what would make him the highest played player by far in terms of total money and AAV?

    It goes to 800 if they negate his buy out. They already were miles ahead of anyone else so it could happen.

    Why should he be the highest player in the league?

    Hes not a good fielder at all, hes terrible on the base baths, but a .280 30 home run hitter alright. Massive over pay for him

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,844 ✭✭✭✭✭

    None of these guys are "Worth" the amount of money they are being paid, if anyone thinks Ohtani will have the same type of season he had last year I would say I disagree 100%

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just accept that no one was close to the Mets baths for the next 7 years so we can move on.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    None of these guys are "Worth" the amount of money they are being paid, if anyone thinks Ohtani will have the same type of season he had last year I would say I disagree 100%

    True. It is very hard to replicate great years. Hopefully that shoulder injury doesn't impact his hitting too.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    None of these guys are "Worth" the amount of money they are being paid, if anyone thinks Ohtani will have the same type of season he had last year I would say I disagree 100%

    Even if he has a down year hes still worth it. Almost all of his money is deferred putting the real value right around 480 million. That aside Yamamoto signed with the Dodgers largely because of him, Sasaki is almost certainly going to sign with the Dodgers because of those two.

    More importantly the amount of revenue that he brings to the team from the Asian market pays for his contract and makes them money. The advertising alone on the outfield wall went from 500k a year in revenue to almost 7 million a year after signing him.

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,844 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @perkdog said:
    None of these guys are "Worth" the amount of money they are being paid, if anyone thinks Ohtani will have the same type of season he had last year I would say I disagree 100%

    Even if he has a down year hes still worth it. Almost all of his money is deferred putting the real value right around 480 million. That aside Yamamoto signed with the Dodgers largely because of him, Sasaki is almost certainly going to sign with the Dodgers because of those two.

    More importantly the amount of revenue that he brings to the team from the Asian market pays for his contract and makes them money. The advertising alone on the outfield wall went from 500k a year in revenue to almost 7 million a year after signing him.

    Sure I get that business side of it but nobody is going to tell me any player is worth this amount of money from a baseball winning or losing games sense, he probably won't carry the Mets to a championship.

    I'd rather have say 5 guys at 150 million a piece rather than 1 guy at 800 million, basically they could have spread the money around more.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 10, 2024 1:13PM

    Soto hit 41 tater tots with max protection behind him in Judge

    30 years ago Brady Anderson hit 50 and had more than 20 swipes

    where was his 100 billion

    you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @perkdog said:
    None of these guys are "Worth" the amount of money they are being paid, if anyone thinks Ohtani will have the same type of season he had last year I would say I disagree 100%

    Even if he has a down year hes still worth it. Almost all of his money is deferred putting the real value right around 480 million. That aside Yamamoto signed with the Dodgers largely because of him, Sasaki is almost certainly going to sign with the Dodgers because of those two.

    More importantly the amount of revenue that he brings to the team from the Asian market pays for his contract and makes them money. The advertising alone on the outfield wall went from 500k a year in revenue to almost 7 million a year after signing him.

    Sure I get that business side of it but nobody is going to tell me any player is worth this amount of money from a baseball winning or losing games sense, he probably won't carry the Mets to a championship.

    I'd rather have say 5 guys at 150 million a piece rather than 1 guy at 800 million, basically they could have spread the money around more.

    Soto definitely isnt, he doesnt bring the economic or recruiting aspect to it. The recruiting part does add extra value to certain players from the winning or losing games sense, but Soto isnt really a guy that brings anything to the table in that aspect.

    In his case its just a massive overpay that doesnt bring the same extra value some of the others do

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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wonder how they will market him. Ohtani had more of a marketability.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 10, 2024 7:51PM

    Being from New York, I'll take it a step further. For $765M bucks if this guy Soto doesn't bring in the winning run of "every" game and the Mets don't go 162-0 for the year, the N.Y. fans and sports media will run him out of town!

    Hell, they'll probably run the owner out of town!! 🤣 😂

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  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As a comparison, this is what the dude who finished ahead of Juan Soto in MVP voting signed for last off season.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Being from New York, I'll take it a step further. For $765M bucks if this guy Soto doesn't bring in the winning run of "every" game and the Mets don't go 162-0 for the year, the N.Y. fans and sports media will run him out of town!

    Hell, they'll probably run the owner out of town!! 🤣 😂

    I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if New Yorkers turn on him fairly quickly. I also wouldnt be that surprised if New Yorkers just kind of ignore his existence now that hes on the Mets

    Theres a pretty good chance Alonso leaves in which case the Mets just spent 765 million to have the same production at best

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,844 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:
    As a comparison, this is what the dude who finished ahead of Juan Soto in MVP voting signed for last off season.

    And I'd rather 2 Bobby Witt's than 1 Juan Soto

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Once I sell all my Soto rookies he will hit 400, 75 HRS, and steal 100 bases in a year.

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