@Mr_Spud said:
I’d try putting some in a bowl or open jar and putting it inside the safe. Then leave it a while, like a few days, and open the safe and see if you can still smell paint fumes. If it is working then it shouldn’t smell. But if you can still smell the paint fumes, then at least you can use it to lower the humidity inside the safe.
Will buy some this week in store seems like Amazon Canada carries 3A not 4A.
My dad stored a-many of proof and mint sets in a bank deposit box 1970's-80's. Many of those coins, mainly the coins in the proof sets had corroded, toned not in a nice way. We figured the bank's air condition system was adding humidity to the air during the winter months......also to cut down the static electricity.
Leo
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@leothelyon said:
My dad stored a-many of proof and mint sets in a bank deposit box 1970's-80's. Many of those coins, mainly the coins in the proof sets had corroded, toned not in a nice way. We figured the bank's air condition system was adding humidity to the air during the winter months......also to cut down the static electricity.
Leo
I read that banks add humidity to the air in their vaults to prevent paper documents in SDB's from drying out. I guess putting coins in large zip-lock bags with one of those rechargeable metal desiccant canisters helps but you have to remember to change out the canisters periodically because they eventually become saturated with water and need to be baked in an oven to recharge them. Remember that slabs aren't totally airtight---when the barometric pressure rises, air will enter the slab and when the barometric pressure drops, air will exit the slab.
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@leothelyon said:
My dad stored a-many of proof and mint sets in a bank deposit box 1970's-80's. Many of those coins, mainly the coins in the proof sets had corroded, toned not in a nice way. We figured the bank's air condition system was adding humidity to the air during the winter months......also to cut down the static electricity.
Leo
I worked in many bank vaults during my professional career, including ones in Tenn & Alabama. Back in the old days when bank were closed on weekends the air was turned off late Fri night and not turned on until early Mon morning. Sometimes arriving early on Monday in the summer it would be stifling. If we had to work on Saturday we had to notify building maintenance to leave on the ventilation. Once someone forgot and it was unbearable in a few hours. This might have contributed to the moisture effecting your Dad's coins.
@leothelyon said:
My dad stored a-many of proof and mint sets in a bank deposit box 1970's-80's. Many of those coins, mainly the coins in the proof sets had corroded, toned not in a nice way. We figured the bank's air condition system was adding humidity to the air during the winter months......also to cut down the static electricity.
Leo
My coins are all silver (old silver so with more silver in them) the worst would be some would tone. Copper and some other metals would worry me more. But not silver or gold (I do not own any gold coins).
My concerns was if the the off gassing of the paint could could cause harm to my coins. The paint I used is for car touch ups. It is oil based. I will continue to use my fan on my safe and baking soda for now until things get better. I read it can take as long as 6 months for the off-gassing to end.
As long as the off-gassing cannot affect my coins like some said it would not here I am fine. I just want to get rid of the smell as much as possible.
I will change my zip lock bags once every 6 months for the next 2 years and then once per year.
I have had coins in this safe for more than a decade prior to fixing (taking the rust off and painting the whole safe) it this summer. Not a single coin had any issues because of storage.
All my coins are in 2 by Mylars and inside zip-lock bags then inside PCGS and NGC long sealed boxes. The graded coins are just inside the PCGS and NGC boxes. That gives me a couple of layers of safety.
Thing is the person who painted my safe put 1 layer on the outside and 3 on the inside that is why it is taking so long for the inside to off-gas. The outside does not give off any smell at all.
My better coins are always in my bank vault and never had an issue there. I check on them every 6 months or so and they will stay there at all times (till I pass away).
I think I found the solution after 2 months of using my fan and keeping the safe door open. Best to close the safe with a bowl with baking soda in it and change it every 3 days. So far after 10-12 days I see a big difference. When I open the safe it no longer smells. Hopefully doing this for a month will end all of the off gassing smell.
Then I let the fan run on it a few hours before I change I put new baking soda in the safe. Otherwise the fan will blow the baking soda around. I use a normal diner glass kitchen bowl.
Yes paint fumes bad too - coins are vulnerable to many things in the air. Especially heat and humidity the bank box example above. Better move (sell) them quickly. Think quick turnover - once they go bad in the holder….game over.
@Cougar1978 said:
Yes paint fumes bad too - coins are vulnerable to many things in the air. Especially heat and humidity the bank box example above. Better move (sell) them quickly. Think quick turnover - once they go bad in the holder….game over.
@Clackamas1 said:
The coins probably not but if they are in 2x2's or anything plastic I would imagine it was not good.
Why would it not be OK in 2 by 2's? They are all in 2 by 2's and a few are in NGC and PCGS holders. They are inside long boxes as well PCGS/NGC. But my best coins are always in my bank vault. The ones I keep at home are not valuable but coins I enjoy looking at from time to time.
@Clackamas1 said:
The coins probably not but if they are in 2x2's or anything plastic I would imagine it was not good.
Why would it not be OK in 2 by 2's? They are all in 2 by 2's and a few are in NGC and PCGS holders. They are inside long boxes as well PCGS/NGC. But my best coins are always in my bank vault. The ones I keep at home are not valuable but coins I enjoy looking at from time to time.
The fumes will eat the plastic and deposit it someplace.
@Clackamas1 said:
The coins probably not but if they are in 2x2's or anything plastic I would imagine it was not good.
Why would it not be OK in 2 by 2's? They are all in 2 by 2's and a few are in NGC and PCGS holders. They are inside long boxes as well PCGS/NGC. But my best coins are always in my bank vault. The ones I keep at home are not valuable but coins I enjoy looking at from time to time.
The fumes will eat the plastic and deposit it someplace.
Thanks. Just purchased a new safe (will arrive in a few days). I never put my coins in this safe after painting it so I am fine. I was cautious and it seems like it was the best way to be. The old safe will be recycled (local place in my area) and the new safe will be installed this coming week. That will put an end to this saga.
@Clackamas1 said:
The coins probably not but if they are in 2x2's or anything plastic I would imagine it was not good.
Why would it not be OK in 2 by 2's? They are all in 2 by 2's and a few are in NGC and PCGS holders. They are inside long boxes as well PCGS/NGC. But my best coins are always in my bank vault. The ones I keep at home are not valuable but coins I enjoy looking at from time to time.
The fumes will eat the plastic and deposit it someplace.
So you are saying paint fumes eat threw Mylar and PCGS/NGC slabs/long boxes? Weird no one else mentioned that. They were not fresh fumes it is off gassing the paint itself has been ''dry'' for a long time. It it because there were 3 coats of paint on the inside of the safe.
@Clackamas1 said:
The coins probably not but if they are in 2x2's or anything plastic I would imagine it was not good.
Why would it not be OK in 2 by 2's? They are all in 2 by 2's and a few are in NGC and PCGS holders. They are inside long boxes as well PCGS/NGC. But my best coins are always in my bank vault. The ones I keep at home are not valuable but coins I enjoy looking at from time to time.
The fumes will eat the plastic and deposit it someplace.
I still do not get this? Anyone else have the same opinion just curious.
I do not understand why no one else mentioned this? How can that happen if coins were in PCGS/NGC long boxes and inside 2 by 2's or PCGS/NGC holders. The fumes would not go threw the PCGS/NGC closed long boxes. I doubt the long boxes would melt. None of this makes any sens.
I ask this because I forgot I put some coins in that safe during Christmas when I was out of my home for 2-3 days. I see nothing happened to my coins or my long boxes all is OK. It had been 2-3 months it had been painted by then it was just off gassing smell.
Should the NGC/PCGS long boxes be replaced or am I OK? I see nothing wrong with them. Neither of them touched the safe they were on clean rags on the bottom of my safe.
New safe arrived today already installed it and bolted it to my floor. All is good. Old safe will be gone this week (already in my garage and will be out of my home soon enough to be recycled at a specialty place in my city).
@Clackamas1 said:
The coins probably not but if they are in 2x2's or anything plastic I would imagine it was not good.
Why would it not be OK in 2 by 2's? They are all in 2 by 2's and a few are in NGC and PCGS holders. They are inside long boxes as well PCGS/NGC. But my best coins are always in my bank vault. The ones I keep at home are not valuable but coins I enjoy looking at from time to time.
The fumes will eat the plastic and deposit it someplace.
I still do not get this? Anyone else have the same opinion just curious.
I do not understand why no one else mentioned this? How can that happen if coins were in PCGS/NGC long boxes and inside 2 by 2's or PCGS/NGC holders. The fumes would not go threw the PCGS/NGC closed long boxes. I doubt the long boxes would melt. None of this makes any sens.
I ask this because I forgot I put some coins in that safe during Christmas when I was out of my home for 2-3 days. I see nothing happened to my coins or my long boxes all is OK. It had been 2-3 months it had been painted by then it was just off gassing smell.
Should the NGC/PCGS long boxes be replaced or am I OK? I see nothing wrong with them. Neither of them touched the safe they were on clean rags on the bottom of my safe.
It is like saying you paint your home and everything get contaminated does not make sens. Maybe dry wall and things like that can absorb the smell but plastic I highly doubt that.
@Clackamas1 said:
The coins probably not but if they are in 2x2's or anything plastic I would imagine it was not good.
Why would it not be OK in 2 by 2's? They are all in 2 by 2's and a few are in NGC and PCGS holders. They are inside long boxes as well PCGS/NGC. But my best coins are always in my bank vault. The ones I keep at home are not valuable but coins I enjoy looking at from time to time.
The fumes will eat the plastic and deposit it someplace.
I still do not get this? Anyone else have the same opinion just curious.
The solvents in paint evaporate and degrade plastics. It can leave a film on you coins. If they are well sealed in a PCGS slab I would not worry.
@Clackamas1 said:
The coins probably not but if they are in 2x2's or anything plastic I would imagine it was not good.
Why would it not be OK in 2 by 2's? They are all in 2 by 2's and a few are in NGC and PCGS holders. They are inside long boxes as well PCGS/NGC. But my best coins are always in my bank vault. The ones I keep at home are not valuable but coins I enjoy looking at from time to time.
The fumes will eat the plastic and deposit it someplace.
I still do not get this? Anyone else have the same opinion just curious.
The solvents in paint evaporate and degrade plastics. It can leave a film on you coins. If they are well sealed in a PCGS slab I would not worry.
Thanks they all seem OK just looked them over all them. I will check them again once every 6 months anyways (for a year or 2).
How would you tell if there is film on any of them from Mylar? I know PVC is green but Mylar contains no PVC. And if there is any film on any would 100% pure acetone bath take care of that?
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Will buy some this week in store seems like Amazon Canada carries 3A not 4A.
My dad stored a-many of proof and mint sets in a bank deposit box 1970's-80's. Many of those coins, mainly the coins in the proof sets had corroded, toned not in a nice way. We figured the bank's air condition system was adding humidity to the air during the winter months......also to cut down the static electricity.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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I read that banks add humidity to the air in their vaults to prevent paper documents in SDB's from drying out. I guess putting coins in large zip-lock bags with one of those rechargeable metal desiccant canisters helps but you have to remember to change out the canisters periodically because they eventually become saturated with water and need to be baked in an oven to recharge them. Remember that slabs aren't totally airtight---when the barometric pressure rises, air will enter the slab and when the barometric pressure drops, air will exit the slab.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I worked in many bank vaults during my professional career, including ones in Tenn & Alabama. Back in the old days when bank were closed on weekends the air was turned off late Fri night and not turned on until early Mon morning. Sometimes arriving early on Monday in the summer it would be stifling. If we had to work on Saturday we had to notify building maintenance to leave on the ventilation. Once someone forgot and it was unbearable in a few hours. This might have contributed to the moisture effecting your Dad's coins.
My coins are all silver (old silver so with more silver in them) the worst would be some would tone. Copper and some other metals would worry me more. But not silver or gold (I do not own any gold coins).
My concerns was if the the off gassing of the paint could could cause harm to my coins. The paint I used is for car touch ups. It is oil based. I will continue to use my fan on my safe and baking soda for now until things get better. I read it can take as long as 6 months for the off-gassing to end.
As long as the off-gassing cannot affect my coins like some said it would not here I am fine. I just want to get rid of the smell as much as possible.
I will change my zip lock bags once every 6 months for the next 2 years and then once per year.
I have had coins in this safe for more than a decade prior to fixing (taking the rust off and painting the whole safe) it this summer. Not a single coin had any issues because of storage.
All my coins are in 2 by Mylars and inside zip-lock bags then inside PCGS and NGC long sealed boxes. The graded coins are just inside the PCGS and NGC boxes. That gives me a couple of layers of safety.
Thing is the person who painted my safe put 1 layer on the outside and 3 on the inside that is why it is taking so long for the inside to off-gas. The outside does not give off any smell at all.
My better coins are always in my bank vault and never had an issue there. I check on them every 6 months or so and they will stay there at all times (till I pass away).
I think I found the solution after 2 months of using my fan and keeping the safe door open. Best to close the safe with a bowl with baking soda in it and change it every 3 days. So far after 10-12 days I see a big difference. When I open the safe it no longer smells. Hopefully doing this for a month will end all of the off gassing smell.
Then I let the fan run on it a few hours before I change I put new baking soda in the safe. Otherwise the fan will blow the baking soda around. I use a normal diner glass kitchen bowl.
Well the off gassing is still there 3 months into this but much less. Hopefully will be gone in another month or two.
Seems like the smell of the paint is taking forever to go away. It was 3 layers of car repair paint. This is insane.
Just going to buy a new safe and be done with it all if this continues another 2-3 months.
Yes paint fumes bad too - coins are vulnerable to many things in the air. Especially heat and humidity the bank box example above. Better move (sell) them quickly. Think quick turnover - once they go bad in the holder….game over.
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What could paint fumes do to coins? Tone them?
The coins probably not but if they are in 2x2's or anything plastic I would imagine it was not good.
Why would it not be OK in 2 by 2's? They are all in 2 by 2's and a few are in NGC and PCGS holders. They are inside long boxes as well PCGS/NGC. But my best coins are always in my bank vault. The ones I keep at home are not valuable but coins I enjoy looking at from time to time.
Just purchased a new safe and will get rid of this one.
The fumes will eat the plastic and deposit it someplace.
Thanks. Just purchased a new safe (will arrive in a few days). I never put my coins in this safe after painting it so I am fine. I was cautious and it seems like it was the best way to be. The old safe will be recycled (local place in my area) and the new safe will be installed this coming week. That will put an end to this saga.
So you are saying paint fumes eat threw Mylar and PCGS/NGC slabs/long boxes? Weird no one else mentioned that. They were not fresh fumes it is off gassing the paint itself has been ''dry'' for a long time. It it because there were 3 coats of paint on the inside of the safe.
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I still do not get this? Anyone else have the same opinion just curious.
I do not understand why no one else mentioned this? How can that happen if coins were in PCGS/NGC long boxes and inside 2 by 2's or PCGS/NGC holders. The fumes would not go threw the PCGS/NGC closed long boxes. I doubt the long boxes would melt. None of this makes any sens.
I ask this because I forgot I put some coins in that safe during Christmas when I was out of my home for 2-3 days. I see nothing happened to my coins or my long boxes all is OK. It had been 2-3 months it had been painted by then it was just off gassing smell.
Should the NGC/PCGS long boxes be replaced or am I OK? I see nothing wrong with them. Neither of them touched the safe they were on clean rags on the bottom of my safe.
New safe arrived today already installed it and bolted it to my floor. All is good. Old safe will be gone this week (already in my garage and will be out of my home soon enough to be recycled at a specialty place in my city).
It is like saying you paint your home and everything get contaminated does not make sens. Maybe dry wall and things like that can absorb the smell but plastic I highly doubt that.
The solvents in paint evaporate and degrade plastics. It can leave a film on you coins. If they are well sealed in a PCGS slab I would not worry.
Thanks they all seem OK just looked them over all them. I will check them again once every 6 months anyways (for a year or 2).
How would you tell if there is film on any of them from Mylar? I know PVC is green but Mylar contains no PVC. And if there is any film on any would 100% pure acetone bath take care of that?