5 Red Sox players on 2025 HOFer ballot
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As a life-long Red Sox fan, I struggle to get excited about the offerings.
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Manny should have already been in but they will probably keep him out. Wagner should have already been as well but its likely neither get in
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Not excited in the least, I couldn't stand Pedroia
I loved Manny until Manny acted like Manny too many times
exactly!> @Basebal21 said:
Why do you think he should have already been in? He only got 33% last year.
I feel the same exact way about Pedroia. not a fan, he rubbed me the wrong way.
Manny was a fantastic signing and an all time great hitter. became a total head case though
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Manny is on the shortest of short lists of greatest right handed hitters of all time. He was an offensive force.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Manny should have been a no doubter and gotten in immediately. Not to turn it into a drug testing thread but as soon as the voters put Ortiz in right away there is no excuse to keep Manny and the others out
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Agreed, in my opinion Papa was just a guy who everyone in Boston loved and he was a very fun personality with pretty much everyone
He definitely seems like someone that would be fun to hang out with, which is why he gets a pass from the criticism of when he was suspended for using steroids while the other guys dont.
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The question was...why do you think he should have already been in? Not, Manny was a no doubter who should have gotten in Immediately.
I think the main difference between Manny and Ortiz, related to PED use, is that while both tested positive during the survey testing in 2003, Manny also tested positive twice, later in his career, during a period when MLB had a defined testing program with defined penalties. I don't see it being logically tenable to equate the two players here.
I think that Manny should be in the HOF because he would be in the HOF if he was not linked to PEDs and I'm pretty confident that the veil has already been pierced - meaning there are players who cheated in the HOF already. If that was is not actually the case, then I would say that he should not be enshrined - because he tested positive when the MLB banned substances policy was in effect. I understand that others here disagree with me as to what was banned when and that's fine.
If hes a no doubter than how is there a question that he should have already been in?
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The only one I really liked was Manny but he screwed that one up with the drugs.
Let the hall have a steroid user wing.
Manny popped at the end, but the same voters keeping him and others out voted for Ortiz when he was caught at the start of his career
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YOU are the one who stated Ramirez should have been a no doubter, NOT me. So pathetic to try and turn a weak statement around.
So, when challenged to support your comment about Ramirez, you run and hide. Bush league. Either have the stones to support what you write, or don't write at all.
All hat, no cattle.
SO lame
Ramirez will never get in the HOF.
You can insult me all you want. One of the greatest hitters of all time needs no defense of why they should be in the HOF.
Also as I already said, the same writers that wont vote for Manny voted for Ortiz so the whole failed drug test is out the window.
Just because the HOF has become a popularity contest doesnt change anything. Manny doesnt need to be in the HOF to know hes one of the greatest hitters to ever play the game
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I would only go so far as to say that the "failed drug test(s)" with Manny and Ortiz are superficially similar - as in, they both had failed drug tests. However, when looking at them specifically, while they both failed the survey testing in 2003, Ortiz did not fail a subsequent test - Manny failed another two tests. These other two tests that he failed are the primary distinction I would make, and that I would hope a voter would consider before rendering their decision. Those two additional failed tests came at a time when there was a policy in place specific to PEDs.
It's a poor argument to equate the two, and it's worse to just support an assertion with another assertion.
Until Clemens, Bonds, McGwire, and Rose are elected, the hall is a sham.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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It's hard to argue with such a persuasive argument.
Definitely Manny and possibly Dustin.