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5 Red Sox players on 2025 HOFer ballot

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Manny should have already been in but they will probably keep him out. Wagner should have already been as well but its likely neither get in

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,844 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not excited in the least, I couldn't stand Pedroia

    I loved Manny until Manny acted like Manny too many times

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    Not excited in the least, I couldn't stand Pedroia

    I loved Manny until Manny acted like Manny too many times

    exactly!> @Basebal21 said:

    Manny should have already been in but they will probably keep him out.

    Why do you think he should have already been in? He only got 33% last year.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,347 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    Not excited in the least, I couldn't stand Pedroia

    I loved Manny until Manny acted like Manny too many times

    I feel the same exact way about Pedroia. not a fan, he rubbed me the wrong way.

    Manny was a fantastic signing and an all time great hitter. became a total head case though

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,347 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MCMLVTopps said:

    @perkdog said:
    Not excited in the least, I couldn't stand Pedroia

    I loved Manny until Manny acted like Manny too many times

    exactly!> @Basebal21 said:

    Manny should have already been in but they will probably keep him out.

    Why do you think he should have already been in? He only got 33% last year.

    Manny is on the shortest of short lists of greatest right handed hitters of all time. He was an offensive force.

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MCMLVTopps said:
    @Basebal21 said:

    Manny should have already been in but they will probably keep him out.

    Why do you think he should have already been in? He only got 33% last year.

    Manny should have been a no doubter and gotten in immediately. Not to turn it into a drug testing thread but as soon as the voters put Ortiz in right away there is no excuse to keep Manny and the others out

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,844 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @MCMLVTopps said:
    @Basebal21 said:

    Manny should have already been in but they will probably keep him out.

    Why do you think he should have already been in? He only got 33% last year.

    Manny should have been a no doubter and gotten in immediately. Not to turn it into a drug testing thread but as soon as the voters put Ortiz in right away there is no excuse to keep Manny and the others out

    Agreed, in my opinion Papa was just a guy who everyone in Boston loved and he was a very fun personality with pretty much everyone

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @MCMLVTopps said:
    @Basebal21 said:

    Manny should have already been in but they will probably keep him out.

    Why do you think he should have already been in? He only got 33% last year.

    Manny should have been a no doubter and gotten in immediately. Not to turn it into a drug testing thread but as soon as the voters put Ortiz in right away there is no excuse to keep Manny and the others out

    Agreed, in my opinion Papa was just a guy who everyone in Boston loved and he was a very fun personality with pretty much everyone

    He definitely seems like someone that would be fun to hang out with, which is why he gets a pass from the criticism of when he was suspended for using steroids while the other guys dont.

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  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @MCMLVTopps said:
    @Basebal21 said:

    Manny should have already been in but they will probably keep him out.

    Why do you think he should have already been in? He only got 33% last year.

    Manny should have been a no doubter and gotten in immediately. Not to turn it into a drug testing thread but as soon as the voters put Ortiz in right away there is no excuse to keep Manny and the others out

    The question was...why do you think he should have already been in? Not, Manny was a no doubter who should have gotten in Immediately.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not to turn it into a drug testing thread but as soon as the voters put Ortiz in right away there is no excuse to keep Manny and the others out

    I think the main difference between Manny and Ortiz, related to PED use, is that while both tested positive during the survey testing in 2003, Manny also tested positive twice, later in his career, during a period when MLB had a defined testing program with defined penalties. I don't see it being logically tenable to equate the two players here.

    I think that Manny should be in the HOF because he would be in the HOF if he was not linked to PEDs and I'm pretty confident that the veil has already been pierced - meaning there are players who cheated in the HOF already. If that was is not actually the case, then I would say that he should not be enshrined - because he tested positive when the MLB banned substances policy was in effect. I understand that others here disagree with me as to what was banned when and that's fine.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MCMLVTopps said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @MCMLVTopps said:
    @Basebal21 said:

    Manny should have already been in but they will probably keep him out.

    Why do you think he should have already been in? He only got 33% last year.

    Manny should have been a no doubter and gotten in immediately. Not to turn it into a drug testing thread but as soon as the voters put Ortiz in right away there is no excuse to keep Manny and the others out

    The question was...why do you think he should have already been in? Not, Manny was a no doubter who should have gotten in Immediately.

    If hes a no doubter than how is there a question that he should have already been in?

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  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭✭

    The only one I really liked was Manny but he screwed that one up with the drugs.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let the hall have a steroid user wing.

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tommyrusty7 said:
    The only one I really liked was Manny but he screwed that one up with the drugs.

    Manny popped at the end, but the same voters keeping him and others out voted for Ortiz when he was caught at the start of his career

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  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @MCMLVTopps said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @MCMLVTopps said:
    @Basebal21 said:

    Manny should have already been in but they will probably keep him out.

    Why do you think he should have already been in? He only got 33% last year.

    Manny should have been a no doubter and gotten in immediately. Not to turn it into a drug testing thread but as soon as the voters put Ortiz in right away there is no excuse to keep Manny and the others out

    The question was...why do you think he should have already been in? Not, Manny was a no doubter who should have gotten in Immediately.

    If hes a no doubter than how is there a question that he should have already been in?

    YOU are the one who stated Ramirez should have been a no doubter, NOT me. So pathetic to try and turn a weak statement around.

    So, when challenged to support your comment about Ramirez, you run and hide. Bush league. Either have the stones to support what you write, or don't write at all.
    All hat, no cattle.

    SO lame

    Ramirez will never get in the HOF.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 22, 2024 2:34PM

    @MCMLVTopps said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @MCMLVTopps said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @MCMLVTopps said:
    @Basebal21 said:

    Manny should have already been in but they will probably keep him out.

    Why do you think he should have already been in? He only got 33% last year.

    Manny should have been a no doubter and gotten in immediately. Not to turn it into a drug testing thread but as soon as the voters put Ortiz in right away there is no excuse to keep Manny and the others out

    The question was...why do you think he should have already been in? Not, Manny was a no doubter who should have gotten in Immediately.

    If hes a no doubter than how is there a question that he should have already been in?

    YOU are the one who stated Ramirez should have been a no doubter, NOT me. So pathetic to try and turn a weak statement around.

    So, when challenged to support your comment about Ramirez, you run and hide. Bush league. Either have the stones to support what you write, or don't write at all.
    All hat, no cattle.

    SO lame

    Ramirez will never get in the HOF.

    You can insult me all you want. One of the greatest hitters of all time needs no defense of why they should be in the HOF.

    Also as I already said, the same writers that wont vote for Manny voted for Ortiz so the whole failed drug test is out the window.

    Just because the HOF has become a popularity contest doesnt change anything. Manny doesnt need to be in the HOF to know hes one of the greatest hitters to ever play the game

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  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would only go so far as to say that the "failed drug test(s)" with Manny and Ortiz are superficially similar - as in, they both had failed drug tests. However, when looking at them specifically, while they both failed the survey testing in 2003, Ortiz did not fail a subsequent test - Manny failed another two tests. These other two tests that he failed are the primary distinction I would make, and that I would hope a voter would consider before rendering their decision. Those two additional failed tests came at a time when there was a policy in place specific to PEDs.

    It's a poor argument to equate the two, and it's worse to just support an assertion with another assertion.

  • MistlinMistlin Posts: 329 ✭✭✭

    Until Clemens, Bonds, McGwire, and Rose are elected, the hall is a sham.

    I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's hard to argue with such a persuasive argument.

  • FredJRIFredJRI Posts: 450 ✭✭✭

    Definitely Manny and possibly Dustin.

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