I think I lost my question so here goes again

timdog44

real or fake or both. I was told that this canoe done by putting 2 coins together between 2 pieces of wood and hitting that sandwich very hard

coinbuf

@timdog44 said:
real or fake or both. I was told that this canoe done by putting 2 coins together between 2 pieces of wood and hitting that sandwich very hard!

I will let the experts debate if your coin is a real double strike or fake. But the method you describe would not produce a fake double strike. First off there is no way you could produce enough power without a hydraulic press to produce a new complete image. Plus if you take the obv of one coin and place that against the obv of another coin and did apply enough force to produce a new image that new impression would be completely backwards and incuse. Not to mention that without the collar the coin would be squished out of shape and wafer thin. To get a double strike you would need the negative design as it is done with a coin die.

There are coins that have been struck with counterfeit dies, that is one way that you could achieve a fake double strike.

jmlanzaf

Fake

On second thought, it could be real. I was initially thrown by the date which I couldn't quite process. But the example posted below shows a similar effect on the date.

timdog44

Thanks

IkesT

Definitely not a canoe.

jacrispies

That is a 100% genuine double struck example. I study errors on capped bust half dollars and this shows all the effects to look for. I would even buy it as a real error as-is.

Note the sawtooth dentils on the left reverse side, diameter expansion, and clear doubling (instead of shifting or machine doubling).

Compare with a bust half example:

timdog44

Thanks

timdog44

jacrispies, you are telling me my coin is in fact a real “error”. You seem to be in the minority. To back your opinion you say you would buy it. Shall I post it? And if so, what value do you assign to it?

jacrispies

@timdog44 said:
jacrispies, you are telling me my coin is in fact a real “error”. You seem to be in the minority. To back your opinion you say you would buy it. Shall I post it? And if so, what value do you assign to it?

Here is a comparable example that sold for $384:
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-19Y5TS/1891-indian-cent-double-struck-rotated-in-collar-good-4-bn-ngc

Whether to post it or not, that is your decision. Ebay would be a good place if you were to sell it.

timdog44

jacrispies - Thanks for your efforts. I think what I am going to do is have my local coin dealer send it in for appraisal. I am not sure I will be able to sell it on eBay without some documentation.

ChrisH821

It looks good to my non-expert eyes too.
I bet @FredWeinberg (an expert-expert) has a thing or two he can say about it.

jacrispies

@timdog44 said:
jacrispies - Thanks for your efforts. I think what I am going to do is have my local coin dealer send it in for appraisal. I am not sure I will be able to sell it on eBay without some documentation.

It may be worth trying to sell to him outright as well. Since the coin is worth something but not a substantial amount, you want to also consider your time invested i.e. not spend 50 hours selling for $300 if the coin dealer can save the hassle and still give you $200 or so.

jonathanb

@jacrispies said:

@timdog44 said:
jacrispies - Thanks for your efforts. I think what I am going to do is have my local coin dealer send it in for appraisal. I am not sure I will be able to sell it on eBay without some documentation.

It may be worth trying to sell to him outright as well. Since the coin is worth something but not a substantial amount, you want to also consider your time invested i.e. not spend 50 hours selling for $300 if the coin dealer can save the hassle and still give you $200 or so.

This is very good advice.

The example shown earlier in this thread shows that the actual sale price of a similar item was under $400. The seller would have had to pay fees to the auction house, just as you would have to pay fees for something you sell on eBay. You will also have to pay fees to get your piece slabbed. All told, your fees could easily reach $200 or more. If you can get an offer of $200 as-is, you might not be able to do better than that by getting a somewhat higher price after paying lots of fees.