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1958 Lincoln possiible DDO? need opinions

heres 2 pics of my coin, need advice of experts if theres any variety ? More detailed pics in abit , thanks

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  • ernie11ernie11 Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2024 11:30AM

    If you are referring to the excessively rare 1958 DDO of which 3 are known, then nope. When you have a real 1958 DDO, you will know it. It's very doubled.

  • CregCreg Posts: 480 ✭✭✭✭

    Not the rare one—

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Minor die erosion only.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    He could be serious. He just sees things that others don't.

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    He could be serious. He just sees things that others don't.

    He is not serious. Whether he thinks he is serious is another matter...

  • Pick913Pick913 Posts: 146 ✭✭


    ok thanks, maybe im seeing more spread than there is actually . OK I bought this thinking it was. I thought I did my homework confusing but hoptfully enlightening . heres my other images I took to compare against the 58 DDO it has notches all die markers, plus die cracks both sides proving it was from same die set to authenticate the FS-101 was sure but anyways heres the images thanks.




    ![](https://us.v-
    cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/yq/dw3vnle1ljrv.jpg "")



  • Pick913Pick913 Posts: 146 ✭✭

    I am not trolling ,legit, you troll me jeez never give up on me!

  • Pick913Pick913 Posts: 146 ✭✭

    I am trying obviously i dont understand alot of things I am submitting to tpgs no success on varirties

    I thought my 2 1970s were Fs 101 and was going to ship out for Variety attributions but now on seconf thought lol.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pick913 said:

    ok thanks, maybe im seeing more spread than there is actually . OK I bought this thinking it was. I thought I did my homework confusing but hoptfully enlightening . heres my other images I took to compare against the 58 DDO it has notches all die markers, plus die cracks both sides proving it was from same die set to authenticate the FS-101 was sure but anyways heres the images thanks.




    ![](https://us.v-
    cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/yq/dw3vnle1ljrv.jpg "")



    It can't possibly be from the same die set or the letters would be doubled. They don't get doubled later. They are doubled on the die.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pick913 said:
    I am not trolling ,legit, you troll me jeez never give up on me!

    Honestly, if you think the letters on your coin even remotely resemble the doubling in the actual DD, then varieties really aren't for you.

  • Pick913Pick913 Posts: 146 ✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Pick913 said:

    ok thanks, maybe im seeing more spread than there is actually . OK I bought this thinking it was. I thought I did my homework confusing but hoptfully enlightening . heres my other images I took to compare against the 58 DDO it has notches all die markers, plus die cracks both sides proving it was from same die set to authenticate the FS-101 was sure but anyways heres the images thanks.




    ![](https://us.v-
    cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/yq/dw3vnle1ljrv.jpg "")



    It can't possibly be from the same die set or the letters would be doubled. They don't get doubled later. They are doubled on the die.

    they are look at LIBERTY motto You dont see like 4 stampings T's piled in there whats that?

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,495 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2024 12:45PM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Pick913 said:
    I am not trolling ,legit, you troll me jeez never give up on me!

    Honestly, if you think the letters on your coin even remotely resemble the doubling in the actual DD, then varieties really aren't for you.

    In all seriousness, he's already demonstrated in multiple threads that varieties and "errors" aren't for him:
    https://forums.collectors.com/profile/discussions/Pick913

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • Pick913Pick913 Posts: 146 ✭✭


    please help me explain the extra width and heightw added on my coin?

  • lcutlerlcutler Posts: 553 ✭✭✭✭

    Absolutely not, remember the doubling has to match exactly if it is from the same die.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,180 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2024 1:02PM


    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • Pick913Pick913 Posts: 146 ✭✭

    what is between horizontals bars on the E? I thought another E?

  • Pick913Pick913 Posts: 146 ✭✭

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pick913 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Pick913 said:

    ok thanks, maybe im seeing more spread than there is actually . OK I bought this thinking it was. I thought I did my homework confusing but hoptfully enlightening . heres my other images I took to compare against the 58 DDO it has notches all die markers, plus die cracks both sides proving it was from same die set to authenticate the FS-101 was sure but anyways heres the images thanks.




    ![](https://us.v-
    cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/yq/dw3vnle1ljrv.jpg "")



    It can't possibly be from the same die set or the letters would be doubled. They don't get doubled later. They are doubled on the die.

    they are look at LIBERTY motto You dont see like 4 stampings T's piled in there whats that?

    Slight die deterioration. You should NOT be looking for little "stampings". You are looking for a fully formed second set of letters that looks EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY like the reference. Not a little bit. EXACTLY.

    And if you think your coin looks EXACTLY like the picture then varieties aren't for you and you might consider an opthalmologist.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2024 1:04PM

    @Pick913 said:

    please help me explain the extra width and heightw added on my coin?

    Die deterioration. A little chatter during the strike.

    EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY

    It must look

    EXACTLY

    like the reference coin

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pick913 said:

    Or not to be

  • Pick913Pick913 Posts: 146 ✭✭

    thank you , > @jmlanzaf said:

    @Pick913 said:

    please help me explain the extra width and heightw added on my coin?

    Die deterioration. A little chatter during the strike.

    EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY

    It must look

    EXACTLY

    like the reference c in

    awesome thank you, thats what i didnt understand letter has to be full width ok sorry didnt notice ?bit confused anyways back to books. thanks

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2024 1:18PM

    @Pick913 said:
    thank you , > @jmlanzaf said:

    @Pick913 said:

    please help me explain the extra width and heightw added on my coin?

    Die deterioration. A little chatter during the strike.

    EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY

    It must look

    EXACTLY

    like the reference c in

    awesome thank you, thats what i didnt understand letter has to be full width ok sorry didnt notice ?bit confused anyways back to books. thanks

    Not all DD are full width. But it has to look EXACTLY. A lot of coins show slight shadow images or thickness differences. But most of that is worthless die deterioration or machine doubling. A doubled die has the second image ON THE DIE. The coins will, therefore, look EXACTLY the same.

    EXACTLY

  • Pick913Pick913 Posts: 146 ✭✭

    ok maybe ill post my 2 lincoln 70s i thought i attributed to the FS101

  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe OP thinks that doubled dies are double struck and that's what's causing the doubling?

    OP - the coins are not double struck. The doubling is on the die itself and unchangeable. That's why it's called a doubled die. And that's why it needs to be an exact match.

  • CregCreg Posts: 480 ✭✭✭✭

    You are not a troll. Your work is not efficient and it rends our empathy. I think that I wrote you my collector spiels in other threads. Had you acted on it I would be reading a question from you about coin folders or a post in the Coin Roll Hunting thread about your finds.
    The half-million dollar coins roll through the auction houses.
    I don’t want you to give up.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,583 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Creg said:
    You are not a troll. Your work is not efficient and it rends our empathy. I think that I wrote you my collector spiels in other threads. Had you acted on it I would be reading a question from you about coin folders or a post in the Coin Roll Hunting thread about your finds.
    The half-million dollar coins roll through the auction houses.
    I don’t want you to give up.

    Have you seen his latest thread? :/

  • CregCreg Posts: 480 ✭✭✭✭

    No, did I screw up? There’s another?

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Creg said:
    No, did I screw up? There’s another?

    There’s another and there have been several others previously. Draw your own conclusions.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • giantsfan20giantsfan20 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭✭

    Why cannot everybody just ignore this person.All he wants is a response from you all and happily oblige him.

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