1943-D copper cent on ebay - what makes it fake?
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This one looks interesting - is it an altered date, or die struck counterfeit? Or is it a huge bargain? 
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Looks wholly counterfeit; the reverse detail in particular is all mush.
I believe that some one is gonna be totally bummed out and with 25 bids. Hard pass here
If by chance it is, God bless them 🙏
No returns and it’s listed as “uncirculated.” Hmmmmmm……
The 4 prong gasket looks like the ones used in the counterfeit PCGS holders from overseas.
Good chance this coin was cracked out of a counterfeit holder and the coin & gasket was placed in an air-tite.
Not an altered date, and not genuine.
PCGS CoinFacts coin
listing of counterfeit
this is just a start
lincoln shouldn't be smiling
the nose is pointed
the W in "WE" is wrong
the letters in liberty are different sizes and the Y has branches that are to wide
on the reverse, the letters of US of A are comically shaped
this is a die struck counterfeit
That’s what I think. The shape of “1943-D” looks close to genuine, but a bit “off”, especially the “D”.
I just wonder where these things come from —- China? Also how do they simulate “circulation” - transfer die from a circulated 43-D steel cent?
Key date US coins including 1943 copper cents are currently being struck in China. Since 1943 cents are steel, they can be hardened and then used as hubs to create false dies.
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Someone thinks it's real. And the rest of his listings are 4 and 5 dollar pieces of junk!
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
From the same distance away between a genuine and the coin in question, the eye is what looks odd to me.
i noticed that, too, after posting. it's the eyelids
Bizarre in every way.
It has been bid high enough that someone belives it's a genuine bronze 1943-D Lincoln cent. But absolutely nobody could believe that a genuine one would be for sale on eBay. And would not be certified by a reputable TPG.
Reported
If it was real, it would be in a TPG slab.
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reported, but still there
Reply from ebay about my report.
"We looked into your report and didn’t find the listing to be in violation of our policy. This determination was made by a customer service agent."
Because fake coins make them money. So they have a "customer service agent," who knows nothing about coins, make the decision.
Still active
Attn: @burfle23
Up to $1,125 - ugh.
While I wish eBay weren't a disgusting combination of greedy and stupid, I have little sympathy for anyone getting bilked out of real money on this one. To bid that much, one must know that it's a special coin. But then one would know (i) that it's really stupid, given the actual value of the coin, to believe that a genuine one isn't certified, (ii) such a rare, expensive coin would never, ever be on eBay, and (iii) it's worth many multiples of the amounts being bid.
So anyone still bidding is hoping they're getting a huge bargain; they're just greedy. So it's hard to have any sympathy for them.
Trying to save the ebay greedy ones who are ignorant by choice is not the hobby for me either.
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Totally harsche.
If the individual mails the item through the USPS to the winner and it is determined to be fake or counterfeit, it could be a federal offense and land the seller in some serious legal jeopardy. However, if the buyer doesn’t have the item authenticated or graded, they may never know they were just ripped off.
Does everyone who true to get a bargain a "greedy one"?
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Reported again.
For a conviction the prosecution must prove the seller knew it was a counterfeit as this is a specific intent crime. Good luck proving that and doubly get a district attorney to file charges.
peacockcoins
It has been reported several times. How many warnings do suppose is enough? At this time it appears they (either the seller or eBay) don’t care if they are caught or not. If I was a buyer you can sure as heck believe they’d have something to worry about if I found out it was fake/counterfeit.
A report to eBay doesn't notify the seller, only ebay unless the reporting party also sends a note to the seller.
Even in that case, many here and on eBay won't immediately substitute their opinion for yours simply upon your declaration.
peacockcoins
Looks like it got nuked, so we saved some stupid money from getting bilked. Hopefully they pay less “tuition” on run of the mill cleaned coins instead.
I reported the listing and eBay replied, stating that they’d removed it.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
We looked everywhere.
Well done sir.
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
Yeah, sure. But some of us loosened the ketchup bottle a little...
peacockcoins
I don't doubt that in the slightest.
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
For all I know, I was just one of the ones loosening the ketchup bottle for someone else.
I was surprised to get a response other than that eBay found nothing wrong with the listing.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Or not get another warning about reporting too many counterfeits.
I concur. Looks like it came out of a crackerjack box.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein