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What's up with some sellers listing buy it now silver eagles for $22-$24 with free shipping? obvious scams but anyone deal with these people?

Chuck,

Ever Onward

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  • rte592rte592 Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Scam.
    Don't waste your time.

  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Could you provide the ID number please.

  • Au100Au100 Posts: 22 ✭✭

    Here's one:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/196730078653

    I reported it, report it as well, as it often takes multiple eBay reports to get one removed.

  • DeloreanDelorean Posts: 476 ✭✭✭

    315864966359

    Chuck,

    Ever Onward
  • Au100Au100 Posts: 22 ✭✭

    I might add...eBay of course didn't find my report a violation. LoL. So if a few more of you can report it super...

  • DeloreanDelorean Posts: 476 ✭✭✭

    315864183006

    Chuck,

    Ever Onward
  • DeloreanDelorean Posts: 476 ✭✭✭

    395809903269

    Chuck,

    Ever Onward
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lot's of Chinese fakes on ebay...silver plated brass crap.

    bob :(

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ag100 said:
    I might add...eBay of course didn't find my report a violation. LoL. So if a few more of you can report it super...

    The listing is absolutely NOT a violation. It is almost definitely a scam, but there's no indication of our on the listing. You've got a picture of a real coin. You have to assume that you're going to get a different, fake coin. But how is ebay supposed to determine that from the listing?

    Lots of legitimate businesses actually do sell these back of spot to acquire names and addresses. So even the low price can't be assumed to indicate fraud.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Delorean said:
    obvious scams but anyone deal with these people?

    someone on the pm forum took a flyer thinking the seller had a problem. we talked the forumite into reversing charges, getting a new cc, etc.

    that's the closest i've heard.

    and it's hard to buy for counterfeit investigation because 1) who knows how many counterfeit creators there are (each order $$ adds up) and 2) i just couldn't bring myself to risk a cc on even a single transaction

    (do the cc companies still generate on time use cc numbers?)

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    agree that the listing is not in violation.

    if a deal is too good to be true, it's too good the be legal (L.E. personnel on American Greed tv show)

    but i can't report the non-violation.

    one seller selling fake morgan's with real pictures had so many negs that i reported one still listed that had several negs associated with it. there were several other similar listings. ebay actually nuked the listing. some (too much) time later, the ebat id was naru'd

    point? if you do fing someone with negatives adding up, alert ebay to the listing with negs and tell the what you think is happening

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  • Au100Au100 Posts: 22 ✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Ag100 said:
    I might add...eBay of course didn't find my report a violation. LoL. So if a few more of you can report it super...

    The listing is absolutely NOT a violation. It is almost definitely a scam, but there's no indication of our on the listing. You've got a picture of a real coin. You have to assume that you're going to get a different, fake coin. But how is ebay supposed to determine that from the listing?

    Lots of legitimate businesses actually do sell these back of spot to acquire names and addresses. So even the low price can't be assumed to indicate fraud.

    Fake coins need to have "Copy" stamped on them. It's in the rule book. I'm sure they got a good deal on ASE's. LoL.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From Hong Kong, a hard pass here

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ag100 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Ag100 said:
    I might add...eBay of course didn't find my report a violation. LoL. So if a few more of you can report it super...

    The listing is absolutely NOT a violation. It is almost definitely a scam, but there's no indication of our on the listing. You've got a picture of a real coin. You have to assume that you're going to get a different, fake coin. But how is ebay supposed to determine that from the listing?

    Lots of legitimate businesses actually do sell these back of spot to acquire names and addresses. So even the low price can't be assumed to indicate fraud.

    Fake coins need to have "Copy" stamped on them. It's in the rule book. I'm sure they got a good deal on ASE's. LoL.

    the picture is a real ase

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  • ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A zero feedback seller to boot...

    K

    ANA LM
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,245 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 21, 2024 2:08PM

    ebay is awash in get rich quick ebay coin sellers with zero feedback

    i have found some with sales of their $300 pocket change, but I suspect those are shills

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  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 12,998 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ag100 said:
    Here's one:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/196730078653

    I reported it, report it as well, as it often takes multiple eBay reports to get one removed.

    "Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ag100 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Ag100 said:
    I might add...eBay of course didn't find my report a violation. LoL. So if a few more of you can report it super...

    The listing is absolutely NOT a violation. It is almost definitely a scam, but there's no indication of our on the listing. You've got a picture of a real coin. You have to assume that you're going to get a different, fake coin. But how is ebay supposed to determine that from the listing?

    Lots of legitimate businesses actually do sell these back of spot to acquire names and addresses. So even the low price can't be assumed to indicate fraud.

    Fake coins need to have "Copy" stamped on them. It's in the rule book. I'm sure they got a good deal on ASE's. LoL.

    They are showing a picture of a real coin. We're all assuming he'll be shipping a fake coin. However there is nothing in the listing other than a real coin and a bargain price. Hence, there is no violation in the listing.

  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just reported all three listings noted on this thread.
    Hopefully they will be gone by this afternoon.
    It’s like flogging a dead horse reporting listings from China.There are literally hundreds of sellers who have multiple accounts. If you report one listing and it is taken down, they simply move it to one of their other accounts and you have to start over again.

    “ Hence there is no violation in the listing”
    Yes there is, they are using stock photos which is against eBay policy. You are supposed to show clear photos of both sides of the coin that is listed.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Greenstang said:
    I just reported all three listings noted on this thread.
    Hopefully they will be gone by this afternoon.
    It’s like flogging a dead horse reporting listings from China.There are literally hundreds of sellers who have multiple accounts. If you report one listing and it is taken down, they simply move it to one of their other accounts and you have to start over again.

    “ Hence there is no violation in the listing”
    Yes there is, they are using stock photos which is against eBay policy. You are supposed to show clear photos of both sides of the coin that is listed.

    That's not true. They have multiples available. They can use a "stock photo" for a commodity. Apmex and others do for silver eagles.

    It is a waste of time reporting this. There's nothing wrong with the listing. It is more likely to get you put on their unreliable reporter list so that they don't take you seriously later.

  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wasn't a waste of time. All three have been removed. Not on the "Unreliable Reporter List" yet.
    You are right about larger dealers like APMEX, DBS Coin etc. As they are established dealers who will stand behind their listings so ebay gives them a by. You can also post stock photos along as you show photos of the product being sold.
    What you cannot do is just post stock photos. This is to help prevent the selling of counterfeits. If you could just post stock photos, every cointerfeit coin, bullion coin, bullion bar etc. would have a stock photo. On the ASE's, if they posted a photo of the coin you would be getting, you would probably see that is was not genuine.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Greenstang said:
    Wasn't a waste of time. All three have been removed. Not on the "Unreliable Reporter List" yet.
    You are right about larger dealers like APMEX, DBS Coin etc. As they are established dealers who will stand behind their listings so ebay gives them a by. You can also post stoc

    k photos along as you show photos of the product being sold.

    What you cannot do is just post stock photos. This is to help prevent the selling of counterfeits. If you could just post stock photos, every cointerfeit coin, bullion coin, bullion bar etc. would have a stock photo. On the ASE's, if they posted a photo of the coin you would be getting, you would probably see that is was not genuine.

    No one selling 500 ASEs is or should post a picture of each coin. And they are not required to for new merchandise.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i'm surprised they removed the listings

    the only suspicion was the under-melt price, which is not a violation

    I will not be reporting similar auctions. i only do it with 100% proof

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  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "i'm surprised they removed the listings". I'm not

    jmlanzaf
    I agree with your posting for general items but coins and currency have their own little set of rules

    What is the policy?
    Replica, counterfeit, plated or clad bullion, including items described as German silver or nickel silver, can’t be sold on eBay
    Listings must accurately describe the precious metal weight content, purity (fineness) and brand (refiner or mint) of the bullion item being sold
    Listings must include a photo of both sides of the actual coin, bar, or other bullion item being sold 
    If the bullion item includes an assay card or certificate of authenticity (COA), the listing must include a picture of the COA and an accurate description of the packaging

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/116021534043

    are you going to report that one? if not, why not?

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  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    “are you going to report that one? if not, why not?
    The answer is in my earlier posting that I guess you did not read.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    read and slipped by the post-checker

    I'm with the "stock photo" screen shot from jmlanzaf as showing it's not just certain businesses

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  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No problem, you can believe whatever you want. That is your right.
    I just go by eBay’s policy that coins or bullion must have a photo of both sides of the coin.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ebay doesn't care if members are selling fakes or authentic, so long as they get their commission. If it's too good to be true it absolutely is. $22-24 for Chinese plated brass? No THKS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,595 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 22, 2024 4:48PM

    @Greenstang said:
    No problem, you can believe whatever you want. That is your right.
    I just go by eBay’s policy that coins or bullion must have a photo of both sides of the coin.

    First of all, a vintage coin is not a monster box of silver eagles. There is nothing wrong with a stock photo for selling multiple new bullion coins.

    That aside, this alleged rule protects no one. I can post the picture of a real eagle and and send you a fake one, if I'm scamming you.

    I have and will continue to use stock images where appropriate.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,595 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 22, 2024 4:50PM

    @MsMorrisine said:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/116021534043

    are you going to report that one? if not, why not?

    Exactly. There is no other way you could list such an item.

    I do it with new items all the time. I'm not going to list 50 separate new books with 50 different images.

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